# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 278
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5541 "2024-05-31T02:23:54Z")
> “Jared Kushner hit the jackpot. Both his father and father-in-law are billionaires and convicted felons. What a country.” ~~Steve Schmidt ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5542 "2024-05-31T02:24:10Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Judge Merchan may stay imposition of the prison sentence contingent on a very strict set of rules for a probationary term, but we all know how that will go for Trump. He’ll end up in the slammer. Yes- at worst it will be 1 year house arrest with 3 years suspended. It could be less time house arrest then "supervised release. " If he violates the terms, it will be 4 years close house arrest, no phone or internet privileges. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5543 "2024-05-31T02:35:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes- at worst it will be 1 year house arrest with 3 years suspended You really cherry-picked my quote. You and I have very different opinions on this. I don’t think anyone can know what will happen. A suspended prison sentence is possible. But it’s just as likely IMHO that the sentence won’t be suspended. You seem to have ruled that out completely and I think that’s a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5544 "2024-05-31T02:47:38Z")
So sentencing-wise, how much of a difference does it make that its 34 convictions (for what is essentially the same crime) vs say 24 (if they had let him off the hook for the checks he didn’t sign) vs if it was just one. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5545 "2024-05-31T04:01:14Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > He argues the prosecution should have called those witnesses but doesn’t say why Why in Gods name would he whine that the prosecution had some sort of duty to call his defense witnesses for him? Sounds like a bullshit story from his clients addled brain. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5546 "2024-05-31T04:16:43Z")
Todd you ignorant sloat. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5547 "2024-05-31T06:19:58Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > > [@Leaper](#): > > > > That puts it out of meter, though. > > Tubby silhouetto, instead of little silhouetto could work. Rotund also works. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5548 "2024-05-31T06:46:16Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > Rotund also works. Let’s remember that “magamouche” refers to someone who is routinely taken in by Trump’s lies, not to Trump, himself. As such, we don’t really know if he’s stocky or svelte. I’d still go with “little silhouetto” to keep a stronger connection to the source material. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5549 "2024-05-31T10:53:39Z")
That was wonderful yesterday. One of the Meisalis boys admonished viewers about being too celebratory, then uncorked a big bottle of champagne. And, LOL to the notion of trump showing any contrition at sentencing. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5550 "2024-05-31T11:05:50Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Todd you ignorant sloat. Very well done. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5551 "2024-05-31T11:26:43Z")
Forgive me if I missed it in this fast-moving thread, but does anyone know how long appeals typically take for cases like this? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5552 "2024-05-31T12:02:39Z")
Condolences to those of you who may have overindulged last night in celebration. I rarely drink (\<5 beverages/year) but I had a large Sapporo with sushi last night. I slept well 😁 ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5553 "2024-05-31T12:33:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Forgive me if I missed it in this fast-moving thread, but does anyone know how long appeals typically take for cases like this ? Former Trump attorney Ty Cobb was interviewed on CNN yesterday evening. He speculated the appeals would run about 12-18 months. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5554 "2024-05-31T12:38:53Z")
So, the whole “The people will decide on Nov 5…” empty threat thing, does that mean if the people once again decide for Biden/Harris to win (once again), that this time Donny will accept the results? ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5555 "2024-05-31T12:45:33Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > So, the whole “The people will decide on Nov 5…” empty threat thing, does that mean if the people once again decide for Biden/Harris to win (once again), that this time Donny will accept the results? Of course not. One thing Trump has been clear about throughout his political career is that he only accepts results _if he wins_ (and sometimes not even then). He has no respect for the democratic process whatsoever. It is simply a means to the end goal of obtaining power. He really is a fascist at heart. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5556 "2024-05-31T12:55:59Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > Forgive me if I missed it in this fast-moving thread, but does anyone know how long appeals typically take for cases like this ? > > Former Trump attorney Ty Cobb was interviewed on CNN yesterday evening. He speculated the appeals would run about 12-18 months. Even if the appeals process carries on for years, as long as the matter courses through the system, Individual-ONE continues to be a felon. Unless some appeals court overturns the ruling based on some obscure technicality, we can still call him a criminal without having to worry about slander. (The biggest concern would probably be SCotUS suddenly deciding to take up the immunity question and ruling that this would be covered by it because he was President at the time – but then, Joe would have immunity and could rendition him with impunity.) ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5557 "2024-05-31T12:58:16Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > So, the whole “The people will decide on Nov 5…” I have a big problem with this. No, the people will not decide on Nov 5. The people of NY have already decided that, in the State of New York, Trump is a felon. Criming is not a popularity contest. The rule of law exists for a reason, to allow the people to take care of things that must be done but may not be popular. Trump has been trying to make this a popularity contest and have it tried in the court of public opinion, where he can lie without consequence, as well as threaten and coerce others to get his way. The law is how the people take care of that. It’s not perfect, but better than the alternative. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5558 "2024-05-31T13:21:20Z")
Agreed…but I assume when people (especially Democratic-leaning) say this, they mean “like it or not, Trump will probably be on the ballot in November, so our work isn’t done yet (to rid us all of this horrid individual).” They do know he’s a duly convicted felon, full stop. That decision has indeed been made. No ambiguity or unfinished business about that. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5559 "2024-05-31T13:21:55Z")
trump will soon have a meeting with a parole officer to access him for the sentencing hearing. this will include whether trump shows contrition. from cnn: Trump is a Florida resident. When it comes to the Manhattan guilty verdict just rendered, [Trump’s right to vote in Florida](https://campaignlegal.org/update/millions-have-lost-their-right-vote-could-trump-join-them) in November’s election will depend on whether he is sentenced to a term in prison and if he has finished serving that prison sentence by the time of the election. Florida’s felon voting prohibitions apply to people with out-of-state convictions. However, if a Floridian’s conviction is out of state, Florida defers to that state’s laws for how felon can regain their voting rights. rc: there will be a statement at some time this morning from trump tower. i’m sure it will be the usual rant. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5560 "2024-05-31T13:46:45Z")
I switched over from my usual MSNBC to see what was happening on Fox. One of their bloviators was interviewing Blanche, and then switched to their legal expert, a Georgetown law professor. To recap their spin: Blanche: we couldn’t use “advice of counsel” defense so we were screwed. Bloviator: Biden conspiracy #1 – the “Number 3 guy at Justice” (whoever he is) moved from DC to SDNY and that’s when the case was resurrected. Coincidence??? Bloviator: Biden conspiracy #2 – the case was resurrected a mere 2 months after Trump declared his candidacy. Coincidence??? Legal guy: I couldn’t figure out what the prosecution’s theory of the case was until the closing arguments […which was brilliant and then it all became clear, but he didn’t say that part] Legal guy: It’s all about the underlying crimes that elevate the misdemeanors to felonies. Merchan’s instruction didn’t specify what those crimes were and let the jury choose among 3 possibilities. Therefore, it may not have been 12-0 unanimous; it could’ve been 4 jurors thought it was felony #1, 4 felony #2, 4 felony #3…therefore, the verdict wasn’t unanimous and will be overturned on appeal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=277) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=279)