# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 283
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5641 "2024-05-31T18:54:08Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Any idea what the hell he’s trying to say? I think he’s saying the Judge has a conflict of interest, since he’s a Biden loving communist. Of course, Judge Cannon has no conflict, or Justice Alito. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5642 "2024-05-31T18:55:03Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > “The irony for him,” Mary Trump said on MSNBC, is that “if he behaved like a human being throughout this trial, I think that the risk of prison would have been fairly low.” > > “But because of his egregious behavior,” she continued, “because he broke that gag order 11 times, because the judge had to make that ruling and because the judge deferred any significant punishment, I think the chances that he gets a prison term have increased exponentially.” As I said earlier, one of the important mitigating factors in sentencing decisions is the convict’s degree of genuine remorse and willingness to reform. Whereas Trump cannot stop shooting his mouth off slamming the judge, the jury, the judicial system, and President Biden, all while claiming that he did nothing wrong. If he wanted a hefty prison sentence, this is the way to get it. I suspect that Judge Merchan will neverthelesss likely give him more leeway than he deserves, but I hope I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5643 "2024-05-31T18:56:47Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > 1. \*\*Did Trump’s attorney view him as capable in these legal discussions? > > \*\*Yes, Todd Blanche referred to Trump as a “smart guy” and acknowledged that Trump knew what he was doing, even joking about wanting to be the litigator himself. > > rc: i don’t believe trump was joking. Well, Blanche and the rest of Trump’s legal team know who butters their bread, so I’m not surprised if he and they are refraining from saying not-so-nice things about Trump’s legal capabilities. But as I’ve posted before, I’m sure that deep down, they are thinking, “And what law school did you go to, Donnie?” I don’t believe that Trump was joking either. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5644 "2024-05-31T18:57:09Z")
I assume the prosecution will be collecting many examples of Trump’s outbursts to present to the court along with their sentence recommendation. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5645 "2024-05-31T18:58:42Z")
Is the pre-convict under oath during the pre-sentencing interview? Are they required to answer all questions? Wonder if Trump can avoid making provably false statements during the interview. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5646 "2024-05-31T19:01:12Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I think he’s saying the Judge has a conflict of interest, since he’s a Biden loving communist. Of course, Judge Cannon has no conflict, or Justice Alito. Thanks. Didn’t make that connection. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5647 "2024-05-31T19:05:06Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Trump keeps saying that the judge was\is ‘conflicted’. He hasn’t a clue what the word means. > > Any idea what the hell he’s trying to say? He’s referring to the fact that the judge’s daughter works for a company that has done some work (public relations? consulting? something like that) for the Democratic Party. Plus the judge may have donated a small amount, like $25, to a Democratic candidate some years ago. Problem is that Trump fails to realize that unlike him, most people don’t have a family business that employs their kids. Merchan’s daughter is an adult, and in no way is employed by or acting under orders of her father. Unlike Don Junior, Eric, and Ivanka. As for a political donation, well, this case is not political. Trump wishes it were, and makes much of that, but I’m sure that even he realizes, though he’d never admit it, that Biden and the Democratic Party have nothing to do with it. Besides, judges are also citizens, who are allowed to have their own political beliefs, as long as those don’t interfere with their decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Treppenwitz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treppenwitz/32/3445_2.png) [@Treppenwitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treppenwitz)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5648 "2024-05-31T19:07:00Z")
This is a slight hijack, for which I apologize: may I ask if the UK panel show _ **Have I Got News For You** _ is shown in the US? The reason I’m asking - in the UK it’s shown on Friday night, but it’s an open secret that it’s actually recorded _on Thursday evening_. It’s possible that the guilty verdicts came out during the recording. When major a news item has broken during past recordings, the panel have been notified of it mid-show by a runner. I have no idea what the BBC would do if this sequence of events happened. Just sayin’ Hijack over and apologies. j ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5649 "2024-05-31T19:10:42Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > This is a slight hijack, for which I apologize: may I ask if the UK panel show _ **Have I Got News For You** _ is shown in the US? Outside of youtube/the internet, no. As far as I know it’s not broadcast in the states. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5650 "2024-05-31T19:10:54Z")
We’ll see shortly, although unless the taping ran long the verdict may have come after they’d finished. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5651 "2024-05-31T19:24:07Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Trump keeps saying that the judge was\is ‘conflicted’. He hasn’t a clue what the word means. > > Any idea what the hell he’s trying to say? > > “Mr. Trump, conflicted means trying to decide what hooker to pay off first. That, I’m sure you understand. It has nothing to do with justice” Every time I hear Trump talk about the “conflicted” judge in his criminal case, this famous movie quote goes though my head: [“You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.”](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-keep-using-that-word-i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means) ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5652 "2024-05-31T19:44:14Z")
Nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5653 "2024-05-31T19:52:38Z")
I hope he’s treated with the level of respect one can expect from a New York City civil servant. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5654 "2024-05-31T19:54:49Z")
This certainly shows how Republican are lining up behind Trump, as if there was any doubt. > **[Trump Aide Picks Very Public Fight With Moderate Republican After Verdict](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-aide-picks-very-public-fight-with-moderate-republican-after-verdict)** > > Larry Hogan, a Republican Senate candidate in Maryland, asked voters to ‘respect’ Trump’s hush-money verdict—a sentiment Trump’s campaign team didn’t take kindly to. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5655 "2024-05-31T19:57:05Z")
Slight digression, but I think it always helps to remember Larry Hogan’s pedigree: > Lawrence Joseph Hogan Sr. (September 30, 1928 – April 20, 2017) was an American politician who served as a Republican U.S. Congressman, representing the 5th congressional district of Maryland from January 3, 1969, to January 3, 1975. In 1974, he was the only Republican Representative to vote to recommend all three House articles of impeachment against President Richard Nixon. He was the father of the 62nd Governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan. [Wikipedia] The MD Senate candidate is the son of ^ that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5656 "2024-05-31T20:02:36Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > This certainly shows how Republican are lining up behind Trump, as if there was any doubt. Trump just got slapped hard by reality in full view of the entire world. They have to now start treating even their own allies with extra aggression and nastiness. This is typical cult behavior, circle the wagons, kick out anyone that is insufficiently loyal. Maintain dear leaders preferred narrative. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > They don’t always hold up well on cross. And I just want to chime in and say bravo! That was wonderful. I’m a little jealous I didn’t think of it. 😋 ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5657 "2024-05-31T20:03:39Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > We’re going to be seeing several months of the whiney baby crying tour. That’s all it’s going to be coming out of Trump’s cry-hole. Stamping his little feet and having a hissy fit. This sort of Omega Dog behavior doesn’t mesh well with the image that the movement paints of him. From the Daily Kos article referenced by @rocking_chair above: > MAGA respects power. Power to compel others to their will. The power to force others to your > will. I can’t help but wonder how many MAGAsses will have enough trouble equating Trump’s current bahavior with the idea of “power” that they drop him (probably in favor of a more “powerful” persona, but at least away from him). Probably not all that many, since cognitive dissonance and doublethink seem to be entrance requirements; still, every little bit helps. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5658 "2024-05-31T20:12:01Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I can’t help but wonder how many MAGAsses will have enough trouble equating Trump’s current bahavior with the idea of “power” that they drop him (probably in favor of a more “powerful” persona, but at least away from him). Now is DeSantis’ moment to shove Trump off the stage! All the MAGAs need is a new, shiny object to start fawning over. C’mon, Ronny! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5659 "2024-05-31T20:45:54Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I can’t help but wonder how many MAGAsses will have enough trouble equating Trump’s current bahavior with the idea of “power” that they drop him (probably in favor of a more “powerful” persona, but at least away from him). I’d say none since he has been whining to them since 2015. They think whining and crying is being a manly tough guy. MAGA folks aren’t the brightest. ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5660 "2024-05-31T21:07:26Z")
There has been concern about violence and threats from MAGATs if Trump was convicted. Has there been any? I have not seen any mention of such incidents in the media; just moaning and lamenting on social media and to interviewers as described above. I am hoping they have learned their lessons about violence resulting in being locked up, but I’m not holding my breath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=282) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=284)