# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 284
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5661 "2024-05-31T21:13:48Z")
> [@Treppenwitz](#): > > This is a slight hijack, for which I apologize: may I ask if the UK panel show _ **Have I Got News For You** _ is shown in the US? I think _Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me_ also tapes on Thursday evening. They tend to focus on lesser-reported news stories, so they’ll be all over this. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5662 "2024-05-31T21:45:33Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > There has been concern about violence and threats from MAGATs if Trump was convicted. Has there been any? [CNN is reporting](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/31/tech/threats-doxxing-trump-jurors/index.html) attempted doxxing and death threats against the jurors. > On online forums that have previously been linked to mass shootings, people are threatening violence and attempting to publicly identify the 12 New York jurors who on Thursday decided to convict former President Donald Trump. > > The calls for retribution began immediately after the verdict was announced. > > “Hope these jurors face some street justice,” one anonymous user on a pro-Trump forum wrote. Another suggestively asked, “Wouldn’t [it] be interesting if just one person from Trump’s legal team anonymously leaked the names of the jurors?” Also this: > Violent rhetoric targeting other people involved in the case, including the presiding judge, the district attorney and journalists who reported on the case, was identified by researchers at Advance Democracy, a nonprofit organization that conducts public-interest research, the group’s president, Daniel Jones, told CNN Friday. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5663 "2024-05-31T21:47:47Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > There has been concern about violence and threats from MAGATs if Trump was convicted. Has there been any? I have not seen any mention of such incidents in the media; just moaning and lamenting on social media and to interviewers as described above. They may be trying to come up with a plan. Oh wait… 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5664 "2024-05-31T21:55:46Z")
Now, the MAGAs want Biden to tell the NY Gov. to pardon Trump. You know, for the good of the country. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5665 "2024-05-31T22:08:01Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > [CNN is reporting](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/31/tech/threats-doxxing-trump-jurors/index.html) attempted doxxing and death threats against the jurors. > > > On online forums that have previously been linked to mass shootings, people are threatening violence and attempting to publicly identify the 12 New York jurors who on Thursday decided to convict former President Donald Trump. > > > > The calls for retribution began immediately after the verdict was announced. > > > > “Hope these jurors face some street justice,” one anonymous user on a pro-Trump forum wrote. Another suggestively asked, “Wouldn’t [it] be interesting if just one person from Trump’s legal team anonymously leaked the names of the jurors?” > > Also this: > > > Violent rhetoric targeting other people involved in the case, including the presiding judge, the district attorney and journalists who reported on the case, was identified by researchers at Advance Democracy, a nonprofit organization that conducts public-interest research, the group’s president, Daniel Jones, told CNN Friday. Was there anything even remotely this bad during or after the trials of mobsters like Capone and John Gotti? I know that Gotti did his share of intimidation, but it was never anything like this. Is the whole justice system breaking down, and democracy along with it? Or are these just a few crazies who’ll be tracked down and arrested? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5666 "2024-05-31T22:08:07Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > [CNN is reporting](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/31/tech/threats-doxxing-trump-jurors/index.html) attempted doxxing and death threats against the jurors. Have the threats been reported to the FBI? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5667 "2024-05-31T22:12:06Z")
The MAGAs are arguing that the jurors would have decided differently had they been able to use the advice of counsel defense or that thing with the non-unanimous voting. It’s not even their fault. /s ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5668 "2024-05-31T22:15:09Z")
I’m looking forward to polls in a week or two to see if there’s any significant changes for Trump. I don’t think they’ll be much of a change, but of course I’d love to see a significant drop. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5669 "2024-05-31T22:25:29Z")
All it takes for Trump to lose lots of ground is even just a wee drop. Someone posted elswhere on the board that this jury verdict was the first popular vote that Trump ever won. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5670 "2024-05-31T22:27:01Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I know that Gotti did his share of intimidation, but it was never anything like this Gotti didn’t have twitter. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5671 "2024-05-31T22:31:53Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > “Hope these jurors face some street justice,” one anonymous user on a pro-Trump forum wrote. Another suggestively asked, “Wouldn’t [it] be interesting if just one person from Trump’s legal team anonymously leaked the names of the jurors?” These are very typical statements from the MAGA crowd - always urging _someone else_ to take action. Just like their idol. They’re not going to do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5672 "2024-05-31T22:38:31Z")
For his pre-sentencing interview, is Trump under oath, or will he be allowed to (hypothetically) lie with impunity? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5673 "2024-05-31T22:47:07Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > [CNN is reporting](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/31/tech/threats-doxxing-trump-jurors/index.html) attempted doxxing and death threats against the jurors. I heard someone mention this [Voltaire quote](https://voltairefoundation.wordpress.com/2021/02/16/voltaire-on-capitol-hill-anyone-who-can-make-you-believe-absurdities-can-make-you-commit-atrocities/#:~:text='%E2%80%9CTruly%2C%20whoever%20is%20able,') in reference to Trump: > ‘“Truly, whoever is able to make you absurd is able to make you unjust”, commonly quoted as “Those who can make you believe in absurdities can make you commit atrocities” (_Questions sur les miracles_ , 1765).’ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5674 "2024-05-31T23:09:57Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > There’s some of our more outlandish politicians who I’d almost expect to go out and commit a few crimes, just to be seen as being Trump-like. Has anybody spotted the Gang of Clones lately? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5675 "2024-05-31T23:12:44Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Gotti didn’t have twitter. The Mafia messaging app should be called Gabbagool. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5676 "2024-05-31T23:19:23Z")
And their search engine Bada-Bing? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5677 "2024-06-01T00:10:30Z")
**[Va fangoogle](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/va_fangool)** ETA: sorry, @Aspenglow . I’m back in control now 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5678 "2024-06-01T00:23:30Z")
Hosted at [crime.org](http://crime.org). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5679 "2024-06-01T00:27:42Z")
Here’s a fact check from USA Today on the unanimity issue: > **[Trump jury had to be unanimous in hush money trial to find him guilty | Fact...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/05/31/trump-guilty-verdict-required-unanimous-jury-fact-check/73917128007/)** > > Each conviction on the 34 felony counts of falsifying business records required a unanimous verdict from the jury. > [@](#): > > Prosecutors said the concealed crime was election interference, specifically a violation of [section 17-152](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/ELN/17-152) of New York election law. In the jury instructions, Merchan wrote that the law “provides that any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of conspiracy to promote or prevent an election.” > > Prosecutors said those “unlawful means" included violating federal campaign finance laws with a payment to Daniels, falsifying additional business records and violating New York tax laws. > > But the instructions said jurors did not have to agree on the “specific unlawful means” used. > > “Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were,” Merchan instructed. > > [Adam Shlahet](https://www.fordham.edu/school-of-law/faculty/directory/full-time/adam-shlahet/), director of the Brendan Moore Trial Advocacy Center at Fordham Law School, told USA TODAY there was nothing improper or unusual about the instructions not requiring unanimity on that component of the charges. The charges filed and the statute did not require prosecutors to prove which specific “unlawful means” were used, just that at least one was used for each charge. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5680 "2024-06-01T01:13:42Z")
Per various msnbc interviews: Bits of the probation interview may be in the defence and prosecution sentencing recommendations. After the sentencing on July 11th, trump has 30 days to appeal. The appeal may be 6 months or more after that. I will now attempt calendar math. Appeal has to happen around aug. 12 or 13. The appeal may get in front of judges by mid Jan. 2025. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=283) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=285)