# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 291
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5801 "2024-06-03T21:45:39Z")
Details are in this thread: > [@Have links to YouTube been disabled?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/have-links-to-youtube-been-disabled/981958): > > I just tried posting a couple of YouTube links in and got the message An error occurred: Sorry, you can’t embed media items in a post. What’s going on? But essentially you want to disable the preview window when trying to post a video link, otherwise when it creates the preview, it tricks the board software into thinking you’re trying to add the video as an attachment rather than provide a link. Once the video preview has been created, whether by accident or on purpose, it’s “tainted” and it won’t let you post it anymore. So you trick it by making it think it’s another video and add a #1 to the end of the URL, which makes it look like a different link but still goes to the same video. And if the link has already been done with #1, you can do it as #2, #3, and so on. That’s what I did in my post; I put the same link that you did but added #1 to the end. I also made sure to disable the preview pane so that it didn’t create the preview before I submitted the post. This also lets you edit a post with a video in it. Let’s say you successfully post the video but realize you made a mistake. If you edit it and try to save it you’ll also get the error about embedding media. So before you save it, just do the same trick; add a #1, or increment the existing number to the next one. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5802 "2024-06-03T22:12:02Z")
> [@Rhodes](#): > > > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > > > [snip] What makes this a bit different is that the enhancement to felony is due to campaign law violation. > > But has that really been established? As I understood it (IANAL) the jury unanimously agreed that the business records were falsified, and that the intent was to commit _some_ other crime such as tax fraud or campaign law violation. But they didn’t have to unanimously agree on _what_ the other crime was. I agree with all. However, I do believe that they would have to agree that the evidence provided at the trial indicated that Trump was either hiding another crime or believed he was. I wonder if that will play in his appeal? Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the verdict and have no doubt that Trump was working to hide evidence of another crime. I just wonder if the appeal will try to pick nits with this. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5803 "2024-06-03T22:35:43Z")
FWIW, I watched the video. I think they did an excellent job of summarizing the nuts and bolts of the case – probably very useful for anybody who couldn’t devote the kind of time they’d have liked to… @BeepKillBeep ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5804 "2024-06-04T00:46:34Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I just used that imagery as a text prompt in AI. Apropos of nothing. > > > **Summary** > > > > [6FVeQDpIBzLX8l0sR8Bv--1--u2rea | M Slowik | Flickr](https://flic.kr/p/2pV6Jeh) Granted, that post was out of left field and the image include didn’t come close to what the imagery was calling for. I apologize. On the other hand, there’s a new AI Model out and I’ve got a better result. [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53768255165_94be401e3b_b.jpg "yxgxYtNR0p8GsrlPSR4q--89rlo") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/183290460@N02/53768255165/) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5805 "2024-06-04T01:01:29Z")
Moderating: Per this mod note: > [@Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5734): > > Moderating: It would be nice to leave this thread open through the sentencing. But if you all can’t stop hijacking it, I’ll close it instead. If your comment doesn’t have something to do with this case specifically, make it elsewhere. > [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Granted, that post was out of left field and the image include didn’t come close to what the imagery was calling for. I apologize. > > On the other hand, there’s a new AI Model out and I’ve got a better result. Please stop hijacking this thread. You’re not the only one, but this is a blatant violation. A warning next time. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5806 "2024-06-04T13:40:13Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Part of me wonders if it was just an error on the defense’s part or did they hope by not objecting they could get a mistrial. I am morally certain it was part of the plan all along. Judge Merchan, however, immediately saw through the ploy…just look at all the years of combined courtroom experience there is between Todd Blanche and Susan Necheles. There’s no way the two of them didn’t realize they should have been on their feet objecting multiple times. Instead they let the prosecution go on and on until that bell had been irrevocably rung. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5807 "2024-06-04T17:16:10Z")
Sorry if this was already explained, but why were there 34 charges and not 33? Cohen submitted 11 false invoices, resulting in 11 false ledger entries and 11 false checks issued. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5808 "2024-06-04T17:19:05Z")
I think I saw somewhere (excellent cite, eh?) that one was an accidental double-entry. Still false. Think on that: Trump’s « only the best people » got him done on a bookkeeping error. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5809 "2024-06-04T17:20:43Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I think I saw somewhere (excellent cite, eh?) that one was an accidental double-entry. Yes, one of the ledger entries, so there were 12 false ledge entries. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5810 "2024-06-04T17:23:51Z")
I was hoping it was because the universe has a perverse sense of humor so that we can post “Google ‘Trump Rule 34’ for more information” and hope people bite on the troll. Anyway, while I’m not surprised by anything the Republican politicians or pundits say, I am surprised that so many from the center or left think that political campaigning should override a possible prison sentence when others have gone to prison for their parts in the same scheme. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5811 "2024-06-04T17:33:06Z")
> [@anny\_m](#): > > I think it’s at least possible that the jury never really discussed what the other crime was. Glenn Kirshner had a good analogy talking to Brian Tyler Cohen. Paraphrasing, > Burglary is the crime of entering a property without permission for the purpose of committing another crime. You and I recruit another person\* and the three of us break into somebody’s house. > > You’re just interested in loot, so you start grabbing stuff and putting it into a sack. > > I hate the guy so I start beating him up. > > The third guy is a firebug and sets the house on fire. > > We have three different crimes, theft, battery, and arson, but for the crime of burglary our motives don’t matter, we conspired to commit it. \*It takes three to commit a conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5812 "2024-06-04T19:39:44Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Glenn Kirshner had a good analogy talking to Brian Tyler Cohen. Paraphrasing, Excellent! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5813 "2024-06-04T19:45:00Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > \*It takes three to commit a conspiracy. I was taught two. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5814 "2024-06-04T19:50:00Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I was taught two. Me too! Though I think that might have been “to make a dream come true”, not necessarily for a conspiracy. (Thank you Marvin Gaye and Kim Weston.) Also, looking it up, apparently the standard **is** two. > **[Conspiracy to Commit a Crime & Legal Defenses](https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/inchoate-crimes/conspiracy/)** > > In-depth information about the inchoate crime of conspiracy, which involves agreement between two or more people to commit a crime and an 'overt act.' Or any number of other cites showing it involves two or more people. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5815 "2024-06-04T19:50:36Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Anyway, while I’m not surprised by anything the Republican politicians or pundits say, I am surprised that so many from the center or left think that political campaigning should override a possible prison sentence when others have gone to prison for their parts in the same scheme. I’m as anti-Trump as is reasonably possible, and absolutely think he should serve jail time. That said… I don’t think it would be ridiculous for a nonviolent offender with little flight risk to be released on a short furlough for something like the RNC. Not saying that that IS the right decision, but I don’t think “here’s an event which is a cornerstone of the democratic electoral process, there’s enormous value to the nation for it to go ahead” is a totally spurious argument. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5816 "2024-06-04T20:50:50Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > \*It takes three to commit a conspiracy. > > I was taught two. Conspiracy to tango. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5817 "2024-06-04T21:00:13Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > \*It takes three to commit a conspiracy. > > I was taught two. Only if you want to make the thing go right. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5818 "2024-06-04T21:25:53Z")
> [@anny\_m](#): > > I think it’s at least possible that the jury never really discussed what the other crime was. > > AIUI the Jury Instructions made it clear they did not have to agree on the nature of the other crime. So there was really no need to spend time on it, other than to assure that each juror believed the hush-up was related to another crime. Possible, but I think unlikely. They spent two days deliberating it, which implies that at least some jurors weren’t ready to vote “guilty” right away. There was some element of the crime that was still debatable, to them. And I think that it’s likely that one of those debatable elements was the underlying crime that elevates the falsifications to felonies. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5819 "2024-06-04T21:37:27Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > > [@DesertDog](#): > > > > > > \*It takes three to commit a conspiracy. > > > > I was taught two. > > Only if you want to make the thing go right. Well, they’re definitely stupid and outrageous and they should stay away from us if they’re contagious. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5820 "2024-06-04T21:39:02Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > They spent two days deliberating it, which implies that at least some jurors weren’t ready to vote “guilty” right away. There was some element of the crime that was still debatable, to them. In the jury deliberations I’ve been in on, even when we were reasonably sure, we still went through each and every charge, step by step, to make sure we were dead certain. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=290) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=292)