# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 293
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5841 "2024-06-04T23:52:10Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > > [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > > > If he could do that, I would need to rethink my whole life. > > So challenge him. That’s sort of the whole point of our “Debate Tuesdays” as he’s coined our allowable discussion times. We talk things out, but he’s always a little short on details when pressed and he will not tell me who he gets his news from. He doesn’t watch TV, but he is listening to radio all day in his car. I just don’t know who. I get the feeling he’s embarrassed about his sources. He’s not a complete Magat. He supports Pence certifying the election. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5842 "2024-06-04T23:55:51Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > I think you’re right, but “dead certain” feels too strict. > > Yeah, usually, but in the case I had in mind, it was indeed dead certain. Well, there’s dead certain of guilt (which you don’t need), and dead certain the prosecution proved the case beyond a reasonable doubt (which you do need). Two slightly different things. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5843 "2024-06-05T00:07:10Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > extra polatin I want a t-shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5844 "2024-06-05T01:21:42Z")
Hmmmm. Trump wants to be able to attack and set his death threat minions against the judges daughter, the trial witnesses, and the jury members. It’s not fair that he can’t insult and threaten them now that the trial is over. [Trump’s lawyers ask judge to lift gag order imposed during New York trial (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/trump-s-lawyers-ask-judge-to-lift-gag-order-imposed-during-new-york-trial/ar-BB1nDezk?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=f82dd7581ce94bc89bf53b43327ce9ca&ei=16) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5845 "2024-06-05T01:24:50Z")
I’m just going to throw this in here because it’s really pertinent to the verdict. It needs to be seen because I’m sure I’m not the only one who had forgotten it. The relevant part is just the first few minutes. This is 2016, and Trump is railing against the horror of a “constitutional crisis” if Hillary is elected because she “might” be indicted, and “might” face a trial, in which case government would grind to a halt. I wonder how he feels about this bit of rhetoric now that **he’s** a convicted felon? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/gEiTA3ALlhw/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump's own words in 2016: President under felony indictment would create 'constitutional crisis'") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEiTA3ALlhw) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5846 "2024-06-05T01:26:18Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I wonder how he feels about this bit of rhetoric now that **he’s** a convicted felon? IOKWTDI. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5847 "2024-06-05T01:37:01Z")
Interesting run-down by TIME on talking points that are circulating: > **[Debunking 12 Myths About Trump's Conviction](https://time.com/6985532/trump-conviction-myths-debunked-essay/)** > > American legal expert Barbara McQuade breaks down several false claims about Trump's conviction being rigged. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5848 "2024-06-05T02:07:25Z")
From the very good TIME article (that the people who need to see probably won’t): > **Myth:** Juan Merchan is a judge on the New York County Supreme Court. > > **Response:** Merchan’s correct title is “justice,” even though he presides in one of New York’s trial courts, which are called the Supreme Court of each county. The state’s highest court is called, oddly enough, the New York Court of Appeals. People who watch _Law & Order_ know this. The trial courts aren’t THE Supreme Court in spite of the name. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5849 "2024-06-05T14:29:25Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Trump is railing against the horror of a “constitutional crisis” if Hillary is elected because she “might” be indicted, and “might” face a trial, in which case government would grind to a halt. I wonder how he feels about this bit of rhetoric now that **he’s** a convicted felon? “I was talking about a president who might be _facing_ a trial! Since I’ve _already been convicted_, there’s no trial to cause a government shutdown!” “Psst…Mr. Trump, what about the documents case?” “Shut up!” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5850 "2024-06-05T15:15:47Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I wonder how he feels about this bit of rhetoric now that **he’s** a convicted felon? He covered this when it was pointed out how he used to rail against anybody who took the 5th amendment, because only criminals have anything to hide. The response is that of course it’s different because Trump is being targeted unfairly, “every legal expert” says the cases are bogus, nobody’s ever seen such persecution, weaponized DOJ, etc etc. Same stuff here. ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5851 "2024-06-07T21:58:34Z")
I don’t suppose a juror would have bragged about the guilty verdict beforehand. It’s hard to believe a juror would ever be so careless. > **[Judge in Trump's hush money case raises questions about social media post...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-trumps-hush-money-case-raises-questions-social-media-post-appear-rcna156128)** > > Judge Juan Merchan asked prosecutors and Trump's defense team about a Facebook post that appeared to preview the outcome of the former president's hush money trial. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5852 "2024-06-07T22:10:08Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > I don’t suppose a juror would have bragged about the guilty verdict beforehand. I believe the kids these days call that “trolling”. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5853 "2024-06-07T22:13:15Z")
> [@Eric1](#): > > I don’t suppose a juror would have bragged about the guilty verdict beforehand. It’s hard to believe a juror would ever be so careless. Seems unlikely but possible. People close to the jurors might have figured out who they were based on their personal schedule. A lot of people want to feel they are have some association with famous people and inside knowledge. Then there’s the whisper down the lane effect. Put it together, and a cousin might claim to know what they did not. Or it could be a total and complete hoax. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5854 "2024-06-07T22:32:13Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Or it could be a total and complete hoax. Consider how easy this is to do. I pretty much guarantee this is what it is. I mean all it said was: > “My cousin is a juror and said Trump is getting convicted,” the post stated, according to Merchan’s letter. Anyone could have written that. There was no special knowledge displayed, just the prediction of a coin flip. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5855 "2024-06-07T22:41:17Z")
If proven, this would be a clear example of juror misconduct. It’s also clear that Trump’s lawyers would demand a mistrial be declared, since they’ll demand anything that will get the orange felon off the hook. It’s much less clear if such an enormous use of resources would be mandated or justified since this is not evidence of impartiality. But it would be incredible if Trump’s amazing luck which put the Georgia trial on hold for frivolous reasons and gave him an incompetent Trumpist judge in the Florida documents case might let him skate once again on this one! The guy must have been born with a lucky horseshoe up his ass. > [@Atamasama](#): > > Anyone could have written that. There was no special knowledge displayed, just the prediction of a coin flip. Sure, but the identity of the jurors are known to the court, presumably the identity of the poster is known, so while such a leak might not be provable, it could at least be established whether it was plausible or whether it was complete bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5856 "2024-06-07T22:41:56Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Sure, but the identity of the jurors are known to the court, presumably the identity of the poster is known, so while such a leak might not be provable, it could at least be established whether it was plausible or whether it was complete bullshit. Of course, and it’s worth looking into just in case. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5857 "2024-06-07T22:44:27Z")
My money’s on a complete ratfucking hoax. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5858 "2024-06-07T22:45:02Z")
Suppose the post is true. . What happens ? Suppose somebody on the jury told his family " I think the other 11 jurors will agree on a guilty verdict, so the trial will be over soon and we can get our family life back to our regular routine tomorrow, I 'll pick up little Timmy from day care. " From a legal point of view, is this a minor issue, or a huge problem? The juror didnt say anything about the trial or the evidence. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5859 "2024-06-07T23:38:50Z")
A troll (“shitposter”) says what? > **[Sleuths hunt down intel on possible Facebook troll claiming early knowledge...](https://news.yahoo.com/news/sleuths-hunt-down-intel-possible-230054683.html)** > > A post flagged by Judge Merchan claiming knowledge of Trump's criminal trial verdict early is starting a fuss. > “Take it easy, I’m a professional s\*\*tposter,” the troll stated on their Facebook account later in the day. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5860 "2024-06-07T23:39:29Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Consider how easy this is to do. Not being a Facebook person, I have no idea. I can just sign up and put something on the court system page? However, [per Politico](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/07/trump-hush-money-trial-juror-facebook-00162369): > [@](#): > > Media efforts to locate the poster indicated that the post likely came from an account associated with someone who appears to be a regular troll of the New York court system’s social media pages. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=292) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=294)