# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 297
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5921 "2024-06-09T11:52:13Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > if not the judge who oversaw the trial, that _some_ judge would be able to get a warrant against the website to look up the IP address and posting history of the individual. Judges issue warrants, they don’t _get_ them. Again, judges in American courts do not conduct investigations. (Note, too, with regard to the contempt citations: the judge put the onus on the DA to bring accusations that Trump was commenting inappropriately outside of court. The judge isn’t the one to advance those claims). If the defense wants to investigate, they can do so. This may even include subpoenaing records. It would likely involve interviewing witnesses or asking a private investigator to dig for evidence. But no judge is going to initiate, or conduct, its own research into this issue. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5922 "2024-06-09T13:43:16Z")
I don’t know that that is always true - in the Darrell Brooks (Christmas Parade) trial - near the end there was an email or reddit post that the Judge ordered the Sherrif’s dept to look into. As you said, the “Judge” doesn’t do the investigation, but that doesn’t mean they can’t cause one to happen. [https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/ydl0rt/anonymous\_reddit\_post\_claims\_to\_be\_juror\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/ydl0rt/anonymous_reddit_post_claims_to_be_juror_in/) ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5923 "2024-06-09T13:53:22Z")
> [@simster](#): > > near the end there was an email or reddit post that the Judge ordered the Sherrif’s dept to look into. As you said, the “Judge” doesn’t do the investigation, but that doesn’t mean they can’t cause one to happen. That’s a fair point. A judge can make a referral to law enforcement. Undoubtedly, it will be taken seriously, and the police will pursue any leads, but from a legal standpoint, the judge is just a Good Samaritan reporting a crime. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5924 "2024-06-09T15:46:26Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > : could the definition of “legal document” be extended to include the official website of the government’s legal system ? I think the law explicitly says the document must carry a disclaimer that lying on it is a crime. There could be other laws that apply though if they really want to throw the book at him could be identity theft? As he was assuming the identity of someone he wasn’t. No idea if that would work, but those computer related laws tend to written in a lax way. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5925 "2024-06-09T16:24:12Z")
All the NY identity theft laws I could find require the person to assume a specific person’s identity and with the intent of getting something out of it. The internet troll claimed to be the cousin of one of a juror. Not only did he not steal the identity of any specific person, he didn’t even specify which juror he was referring to. > [@griffin1977](#): > > As he was assuming the identity of someone he wasn’t. Who would be the victim? Here’s the NY laws: [https://www.findlaw.com/state/new-york-law/new-york-identity-theft-laws.html](https://www.findlaw.com/state/new-york-law/new-york-identity-theft-laws.html) All three degrees of ID theft start with: > A person is guilty of identity theft in the third degree when he or she knowingly and with intent to defraud assumes the identity of another person by presenting himself or herself as that other person, or by acting as that other person or by using personal identifying information of that other person, and thereby… I don’t think lying about have a familial connection to an unnamed person on a jury will reach the threshold needed to be considered identity theft. Maybe there’s a law that covers this, but I don’t think it’s identity theft. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5926 "2024-06-09T17:08:49Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I’d assume that if the statement had been, “My cousin, who’s on the jury, got a bag full of cash and a letter to vote for the prosecution.” Then that’s implicating a crime and, if not the judge who oversaw the trial, that _some_ judge would be able to get a warrant against the website to look up the IP address and posting history of the individual. Ok, I’ll say it: My cousin, who’s on the jury, got a bag full of cash and a letter to vote for the prosecution. … now what? How should my statement impact the proceedings? I have implicated a crime. I anticipate a knock on the door from a judge who will investigate me. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5927 "2024-06-09T17:09:42Z")
Judges don’t investigate people. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5928 "2024-06-09T17:24:08Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > In American courts, the judges do not conduct investigations. Well, they do, on occasion, hold hearings and question former jurors about claims of misconduct. I’ve seen it myself from time to time. It requires more of a legitimate claim than we have here, but theoretically it could happen. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5929 "2024-06-09T17:44:07Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > hold hearings and question former jurors about claims of misconduct Is there any requirement the former jurors turn up? Surely at this point (once they have reached a verdict) they are just random civilians? ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5930 "2024-06-09T17:52:17Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > … now what? How should my statement impact the proceedings? I have implicated a crime. I anticipate a knock on the door from a judge who will investigate me. You won’t get a knock on the door from the judge, any more than the judge will be personally handcuffing Trump and driving him to prison You should expect a knock on the door from the NYPD. I’m sure Mr “Professional Sh\*tposter” has already received one. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5931 "2024-06-09T18:15:24Z")
It occurs to me that as the Hunter Biden trial approaches the closing arguments stage, we might see a copycat action. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5932 "2024-06-09T18:28:49Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@Moriarty](#): > > > > In American courts, the judges do not conduct investigations. > > Well, they do, on occasion, hold hearings and question former jurors about claims of misconduct. I’ve seen it myself from time to time. It requires more of a legitimate claim than we have here, but theoretically it could happen. Actually, it seems that in certain states it would be the job of the judge to investigate juror misconduct (e.g. California). But, in New York, it does seem to be that it would be the defense. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5933 "2024-06-09T19:52:57Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > > [@Eonwe](#): > > > > … now what? How should my statement impact the proceedings? I have implicated a crime. I anticipate a knock on the door from a judge who will investigate me. > > You won’t get a knock on the door from the judge, any more than the judge will be personally handcuffing Trump and driving him to prison > > You should expect a knock on the door from the NYPD. I’m sure Mr “Professional Sh\*tposter” has already received one. Ya know, I don’t think our poster Eonwe will be getting a knock on the door from ANYONE. EVER. Or do you think the NYPD investigates every random person who claims something somewhere about this jury is going to be investigated? Not. Going. To Happen. Same as the original shitposter who claimed his cousin told him something. There is no investigations for every bullshit piece of trolling crap that is posted on social media sites. I mean, get real here please. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5934 "2024-06-09T19:54:59Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Same as the original shitposter who claimed his cousin told him something. There is no investigations for every bullshit piece of trolling crap that is posted on social media sites. I think that one might be an exception due solely to the publicity. I mean, **we’re** talking about it after all. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5935 "2024-06-09T20:00:17Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I think that one might be an exception due solely to the publicity. Yes, agreed. If only to firmly quash the stupid rumors floated by outlets like Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5936 "2024-06-09T20:14:22Z")
It should also be noted that when some teen boy is overheard saying to Tiffany, “I was spying on the girls’ changing room.” And then, later, when someone confronts him with the claim and he says, “I was just joking, to scare Tiffany.” Either of those statements might be the true story. If the latter then, sure, it doesn’t really matter. The guy’s a jackass. So be it. But it could be the first and the school has an ethical duty to investigate it. Likewise, Trump’s lawyers have an ethical duty to investigate. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5937 "2024-06-09T20:16:30Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Likewise, Trump’s lawyers have an ethical duty to investigate. You said “ethical” and “Trump’s lawyers” in the same sentence! 😆 😆 🤪 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5938 "2024-06-09T20:21:07Z")
Best lol of the day, tyvm. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5939 "2024-06-09T20:28:51Z")
Back to matters at hand, the pre sentencing interview is tomorrow > **[Trump scheduled for Monday pre-sentencing interview after hush money...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/09/politics/trump-probation-interview-hush-money/index.html)** > > Former President Donald Trump is scheduled for a pre-sentencing hearing with a probation officer Monday after his hush money trial conviction last month, according to a Trump campaign official and two sources familiar with the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5940 "2024-06-09T20:31:38Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If the latter then, sure, it doesn’t really matter. The guy’s a jackass. So be it. > > But it could be the first and the school has an ethical duty to investigate it. The thing is though that it’s a pretty extraordinary claim. This isn’t claiming you spied on girls changing, which just about anyone with the inclination could probably pull off. This is claiming something extremely unlikely. Not impossible, sure, but very much improbable and any rational person should treat the claim with an immense amount of skepticism. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=296) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=298)