# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/581 "2023-03-31T18:11:11Z")
I agree too. I love that news organizations are using the words “Trump,” “had sex with,” “pornstar” and “fraud” in the same sentence, repeatedly, again. Just a good reminder for people in the middle of what a dirtbag the Republican party has attached itself to. A nice appetizer to whet the appetites before the main course(s) begin. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/582 "2023-03-31T18:22:35Z")
He’s being indicted for more than just paying Stormy, though. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/583 "2023-03-31T18:40:32Z")
Sure, but news organizations are still telling the story by using the words “Trump,” “had sex with,” “pornstar” and “fraud” all in the same sentence, repeatedly. That’s potentially terrible PR for him and the Republican Party when it comes to people in the middle, notably suburbanite women, politically-moderate Christians and seniors. That’s what makes this indictment such a juicy appetizer, and so fitting for such a filthy person. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/584 "2023-03-31T19:05:59Z")
The real problem is we need _convictions_ within no more than 12 months to stop the Cheato from being the R nominee. Right now the Daniels case might not even be ready to begin to proceed to think about being scheduled for an initial hearing by then. And it appears to be ahead of all the others in the hopper. All this is about 2 years too late. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/585 "2023-03-31T19:26:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The real problem is we need _convictions_ within no more than 12 months to stop the Cheato from being the R nominee. I dunno, man. I’m really pretty unimpressed with just about anyone who has voted R lately. But I’m charitable enough to think that if there are multiple indictments, there might be enough Rs w/ a minimal amount of decency to say, “Well, old Sleepy Joe has his issues, but at least…” Call me a cockeyed optimist! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/586 "2023-03-31T19:33:22Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The real problem is we need _convictions_ within no more than 12 months to stop the Cheato from being the R nominee Criminal trials _can_ be held 3 to 6 months after indictment. I’m sure Trump’s team will cry they need a lot more time because of all the documents, etc. The Judge should tell the to take the millions he just raised for his defense and use it to hire sufficient staff to get ready on time. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/587 "2023-03-31T19:34:30Z")
So I’ve had my champagne. Well- am having. They didn’t have small bottles so I told him (Paul, he runs the joint.) “Looks like I’ll have to get a big bottle, then.” But it’s Friday and I’m home from work. Here’s to the indictment! 🍾 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/588 "2023-03-31T19:36:17Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > So I’ve had my champagne. We have ours in the hotel fridge, waiting for the Iowa/South Carolina women’s basketball game tonight. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/589 "2023-03-31T19:36:38Z")
I was able to get ChatGPT to cooperate in generating Trumpistical statements by neutrally asking for writing in that style, but it balked when it was qualified with terms like “… Trump complaining about …” which it took to be requesting mockery. When I asked whether this should not be permissible when the individual in question is objectively deserving of mockery, it wagged its little metal finger at me at lectured me about ethics and respect. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/590 "2023-03-31T19:44:56Z")
Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/591 "2023-03-31T19:49:09Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Call me a cockeyed optimist! I sincerely hope you’re right. But another word for cock-eyed optimist is “willfully blind”. Each indictment will increase the outrage of the True Believers. Which will give more and more cover to the forces of skullduggery to tilt the electoral process more and more in the R’s favor. The election in 2024 is not about the votes. It’s about the _counting of_ the votes in a dangerously small number of readily identified and easily suborned jurisdictions. IMO _that’s_ the process that needs to get headed off at the pass here in 2023 while there’s still time and citizen plus judicial bandwidth to deal with it. > [@Procrustus](#): > > > [@LSLGuy](#): > > > > The real problem is we need _convictions_ within no more than 12 months to stop the Cheato from being the R nominee > > Criminal trials _can_ be held 3 to 6 months after indictment. I’m sure Trump’s team will cry they need a lot more time because of all the documents, etc. The Judge should tell the to take the millions he just raised for his defense and use it to hire sufficient staff to get ready on time. AIUI, it was the DA himself who was saying he expected it to take at least a year to get to trial. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/592 "2023-03-31T19:51:46Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > AIUI, it was the DA himself who was saying he expected it to take at least a year to get to trial. I’m not shocked by this (but I share your disappointment) One thing to remember is that almost all courts are really backed up due to COVID. We’re coming out of it now, but nothing is happening as fast as it used to. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/593 "2023-03-31T19:56:22Z")
His voters didn’t care about the pussy grabbing and they won’t care about this. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/594 "2023-03-31T19:59:47Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > His voters didn’t care about the pussy grabbing and they won’t care about this . Right, they save their outrage for the fact he’s being held accountable. No outrage for sexual assault, or records fraud. Or the 1000 other things. I hope he has enough supporters to destroy the party, but not enough to prevail. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/595 "2023-03-31T20:16:37Z")
[Stormy Daniels reportedly will be interviewed by Piers Morgan later today.](https://nypost.com/2023/03/31/piers-morgan-teases-stormy-daniels-interview/) [Or maybe not.](https://www.foxnews.com/media/stormy-daniels-postpones-planned-interview-piers-morgan-security-reasons) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/596 "2023-03-31T20:44:58Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I hope he has enough supporters to destroy the party, but not enough to prevail. We’ll see. I certainly hope so too. The problem is not so much the total number, but their geographical distribution. Some of the news from the mid-terms was encouraging. But there are still areas where Cheato rules. Carry enough of those at the right time in the primary flow and Bingo: Donnie’s your Uncle. As in Sam. And then we’re all toast. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/597 "2023-03-31T20:58:41Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > But I’m charitable enough to think that if there are multiple indictments, there might be enough Rs w/ a minimal amount of decency to say, “Well, old Sleepy Joe has his issues, but at least…” Or just the opposite. > **[Trump can still run for president in 2024 after being indicted twice](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-presidential-run-indicted-constitution/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJpZCI6IjYyMDc3NTgiLCJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjgwMjM1MjAwLCJpc3MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjgxNTMxMTk5LCJpYXQiOjE2ODAyMzUyMDAsImp0aSI6IjZlOWEzZTkwLTI3NjgtNGZlOC1iMzQwLWIyNGE3ZTIyYmE0OSIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8vd3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIzLzAzLzMwL3RydW1wLXByZXNpZGVudGlhbC1ydW4taW5kaWN0ZWQtY29uc3RpdHV0aW9uLyJ9.55ydKRN_8hg1IUmuvraKQcf2o3mKm-wpCOB5iUIENZw&itid=gfta)** > > Donald Trump became the first former president to be charged with a crime after leaving office. The charges don't prevent him from running for president. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/598 "2023-03-31T21:20:59Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Or just the opposite. Sure. With a criminal record you can’t get a job involving any sort of responsibility, such as janitor or dog-walker. But there is no obstacle to becoming President of the United States. In the words of Yakov Smirnoff, “America! What a country!” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/599 "2023-03-31T21:35:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@Dinsdale](#): > > > > But I’m charitable enough to think that if there are multiple indictments, there might be enough Rs w/ a minimal amount of decency to say, “Well, old Sleepy Joe has his issues, but at least…” > > Or just the opposite. Hell, evidently this guy will be running for president from prison. > **[Joe Exotic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Exotic)** > > Joseph Allen Maldonado (né Schreibvogel; born March 5, 1963), known professionally as Joe Exotic and nicknamed "The Tiger King", is an American media personality, businessman, and convicted felon who operated the Greater Wynnewood Exotic Animal Park (also known as the G.W. Zoo, Tiger King Park and formerly the Garold Wayne Exotic Animal Memorial Park) in Wynnewood, Oklahoma, from 1999 to 2018. > Born in Kansas, Exotic and his family moved to Texas, where he enrolled at Pilot Point High School. A... ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/600 "2023-03-31T21:44:50Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Sure. With a criminal record you can’t get a job involving any sort of responsibility, such as janitor or dog-walker. But there is no obstacle to becoming President of the United States. In the words of Yakov Smirnoff, “America! What a country!” To be fair, it does make sense. It makes sure the DOJ doesn’t have the power to prevent someone from running. I assume it’s a separation of powers thing. Of course, it also means we need well informed voters that can learn about any convictions and decide for themselves how that impacts who they vote for. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=31)