# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 305
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6081 "2024-06-14T20:12:56Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Awaiting sentencing, does Trump have any restrictions on travel or associating with other criminals? He’s currently under whatever restrictions were imposed as conditions of his release on bail. He won’t be subject to conditions on probation until sentencing has occurred. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6082 "2024-06-14T20:23:29Z")
Yeah - I haven’t heard anything about him claiming remorse. Would seem totally out of character for him - and at odds with his every other word/action. I wonder exactly what he would be claim to be remorseful for? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6083 "2024-06-14T20:27:58Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > routine, uneventful questions and answers, One anonymous person says the interview was “routine, uneventful questions and answers” Pardon me if I think this looks like a boilerplate bullshit press release from a low level campaign hack. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6084 "2024-06-14T20:29:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > One anonymous person says the interview was “routine, uneventful questions and answers” > > Pardon me if I think this looks like a boilerplate bullshit press release from a low level campaign hack. If it was short enough, trump may have been given a prepared statement to read. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6085 "2024-06-14T20:30:35Z")
It’s still better than the variant on the story reported by CNN Upthread, which showed a very intense slant: > [@Spoons](#): > > The pre-sentencing interview has been completed, though there remains the possibility of a follow-up interview: > > [https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/10/politics/trump-probation-office-interview-hush-money/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/10/politics/trump-probation-office-interview-hush-money/index.html) > > Of note: > > > [@](#): > > > > “Earlier today, President Trump completed a routine interview with [the] New York Probation Office. The interview was uneventful and lasted less than thirty minutes,” the source said, adding, “The President and his team will continue to fight the lawless Manhattan DA Witch Hunt.” > > > > [Snip.] > > > > Trump answered all questions in the virtual interview and was described as polite, respectful and accommodating to the probation officers, according to a New York City official familiar with the interview. Quoting @spoons for credit since they’re the ones who first reported it. So if it’s the same “source” leaking to AP News (or just AP repeating the CNN cite), I’d take the reports of any normal or remorseful behavior with a grain of salt considering the CNN source also characterized the whole trial as a witch hunt. Or as I suggested upthread, perhaps the source is the very impartial John Barron. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6086 "2024-06-14T20:40:02Z")
That source was almost certainly present at the interview. These were the people present: > Juanita Holmes, commissioner for the New York City Department of Probation, was present, along with the general counsel for the department and the officer assigned to Trump’s case, the source said. Trump attorney Todd Blanche was also present for the meeting. It was the Defense attorney. It usually is. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6087 "2024-06-14T20:47:48Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > I’d take the reports of any normal or remorseful behavior with a grain of salt considering the CNN source also characterized the whole trial as a witch hunt. Yep, there we go. There’s zero chance a source who uses the phrase “witch hunt” is truthfully reporting what happened. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6088 "2024-06-14T21:09:59Z")
Without concrete proof, I’ll believe that Donald Trump showed remorse when pigs fly. (Pink Floyd concerts not applicable.) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6089 "2024-06-14T21:19:03Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If you had a unanimous murder conviction in another case, the jurors might have drawn different conclusions on the underlying facts there too. Maybe they weren’t in agreement as to motive, maybe they don’t all believe a particular witness, and so on. But as long as they all agree the defendant is guilty those details should be largely irrelevant. We had a major case 40 years ago in Saskatchewan where that issue came up. Colin Thatcher, a former provincial Cabinet minister, was charged with murdering his ex-wife. The evidence led by the Crown suggested he might have done it personally, or he had hired someone to do it, and thus was a party to the offence. He was convicted and challenged the conviction on the basis that the jury had to be unanimous on how the murder occurred. The Supreme Court of Canada dismissed his appeal, on the basis that it was open to the jury to find him guilty on either theory of the case. > **[R. v. Thatcher - SCC Cases](https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/216/index.do)** > > This page contains a form to search the Supreme Court of Canada case information database. You can search by the SCC 5-digit case number, by name or word in the style of cause, or by file number from the appeal court. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6090 "2024-06-14T23:30:22Z")
Having your lawyer sitting in with you and prepping you until the last minute will certainly help your performance. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6091 "2024-06-14T23:49:56Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Without concrete proof, I’ll believe that Donald Trump showed remorse when pigs fly I believe he can read the officially blessed state of new york expensive defense lawyer script for “a felony who would like to stay out prison (but is also planning to appeal)” to read at their sentencing interview. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6092 "2024-06-15T00:03:54Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I wonder exactly what he would be claim to be remorseful for? The usual avenue of regret for people like Trump in this situation is to be sorry they got caught. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6093 "2024-06-15T00:06:10Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > I believe he can read the officially blessed state of new york expensive defense lawyer script for “a felony who would like to stay out prison (but is also planning to appeal)” to read at their sentencing interview. I have no experience in the matter but I’d suspect that contrition read badly from a script would not be particularly compelling. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6094 "2024-06-15T00:07:05Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > [@griffin1977](#): > > > > Specifically he opened his mouth during his sentencing interview and apparently did a decent enough job of parroting the correct script required by the state of NY to show remorse. > > Has there been a story about this? These interviews are confidential, so the only people who would be talking about what happened would be Trump or his lawyer. It’s worth pointing out that a major difference between Trump and other convicted felons is that Trump has been running his mouth continuously both before and after the verdict – but especially after – about how “unfair” the whole trial was, about the “conflicted” judge and his Democrat-loving daughter, and above all about how he did nothing wrong and the whole thing was a political “witch hunt”. All of which has been widely publicized and is on record. So ISTM that no matter what legal artistry Blanche may have used, there’s nothing Trump could possibly have said in that interview that could be taken as a credible expression of remorse. The probation officer and the judge are no fools. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6095 "2024-06-15T00:20:11Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I have no experience in the matter but I’d suspect that contrition read badly from a script would not be particularly compelling So this is a genuine question I have. Is this true? I would have thought the conclusions would have have to be based on facts, not “vibes”. But I also have no actual experience. Maybe they can say “in my many years of listening to felons lie their ass off I have never heard a felon lie their ass off like this dickhead” > [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s worth pointing out that a major difference between Trump and other convicted felons is that Trump has been running his mouth continuously both before and after the verdict – but especially after – about how “unfair” the whole trial was, about the “conflicted” judge and his Democrat-loving daughter, and above all about how he did nothing wrong and the whole thing was a political “witch hunt”. Yeah this. If the officer can (or must, if the judge says so) include that in the report then it doesn’t matter how well coached he is. ---
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> [@griffin1977](#): > > believe he can read the officially blessed state of new york expensive defense lawyer script for “a felony who would like to stay out prison (but is also planning to appeal)” to read at their sentencing interview. You lost me at “I believe he can read”. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6097 "2024-06-15T01:00:39Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > I believe he can read the officially blessed state of new york expensive defense lawyer script for “a felony who would like to stay out prison (but is also planning to appeal)” to read at their sentencing interview… OK, I see where we’re at. You _think_ that Trump expressed remorse. You _feel_ that Trump expressed remorse. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6098 "2024-06-15T01:07:21Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > So this is a genuine question I have. Is this true? I would have thought the conclusions would have have to be based on facts, not “vibes”. But I also have no actual experience. Maybe they can say “in my many years of listening to felons lie their ass off I have never heard a felon lie their ass off like this dickhead” Well, determine for yourself. This is what the State of New York says they do. (I’m repeating the same link given a few days ago by @dasmoocher.) > **[404 ERROR - N.Y. State Courts](https://www.nycourts.gov/404/index.shtml)** > > The official home page of the New York State Unified Court System. We hear more than three million cases a year involving almost every type of endeavor. We hear family matters, personal injury claims, commercial disputes, trust and estates issues,... > A probation officer (or a social worker or psychologist working for the probation department) interviews the defendant and checks the defendant’s criminal record. > The pre-sentence interview is a chance for the defendant to try to make a good impression and explain why he or she deserves a lighter punishment. Note that this is given by a probation officer or a _psychologist_. In other words, someone who is experienced with reading people and determining if they’re sincere or full of crap. And also note that “making a good impression” is an **extremely** subjective determination, so quite clearly, this is not a “just the facts, ma’am” situation. ---
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> [@griffin1977](#): > > Specifically he opened his mouth during his sentencing interview and apparently did a decent enough job of parroting the correct script required by the state of NY to show remorse. …say unnamed sources familiar with the interview that nobody but Trump and the interviewer were actually familiar with. ---
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> [@Chronos](#): > > …say unnamed sources familiar with the interview that nobody but Trump and the interviewer were actually familiar with.   Exactly. This is what courts call “hearsay” and it reminds me of one of those “as told by” self-serving ghostwritten bios. IOW, the interview went “extremely well” according to what Trump told his sycophants (indeed, it undoubtedly was “perfect” 😆 ). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=304) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=306)