# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024)
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**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Tags:** trump
**Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")
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### Author:  [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6361 "2024-09-04T03:18:11Z")
> [@DWMarch](#):
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> What are they going to do about it?
The same thing the state of New York does whenever a felon refuses to surrender to serve their sentence. Issue an arrest warrant and request extradition.
Trump will absolutely corrupt the federal legal system at every level, from day one. But these are state charges.
Edit: random thought. Who would receive the extradition request when a state requests a DC resident is extradited? Is it the feds or the DC city cops? Are all interstate extraditions handled by the Feds? Actually would it be an extradition at all as the trial has already happened?
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6362 "2024-09-04T03:22:51Z")
> [@griffin1977](#):
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> There is nothing written down in the law or constitution that says someone convicted of a state shouldn’t go to prison if they elected POTUS. So they should go to prison.
Is there anything that says a President can’t serve his term while serving his term in a cell?
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### Author:  [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6363 "2024-09-04T03:23:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#):
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> Is there anything that says a President can’t serve his term while serving his term in a cell?
Nope so no constitutional crisis
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### Author:  [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6364 "2024-09-04T07:13:08Z")
> [@griffin1977](#):
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> Edit: random thought. Who would receive the extradition request when a state requests a DC resident is extradited? Is it the feds or the DC city cops? Are all interstate extraditions handled by the Feds? Actually would it be an extradition at all as the trial has already happened?
DC Metro.
> **[Chapter 7. Extradition and Fugitives from Justice. | D.C. Law Library](https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/titles/23/chapters/7)**
> The Chief of Police of the Metropolitan Police Department shall give notice to the police official or sheriff of the city or county from which the person is a fugitive that the person is so held in the District of Columbia.
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### Author:  [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6365 "2024-09-04T13:29:45Z")
> [@chappachula](#):
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> Ted Kennedy got drunk and left his girlfriend to drown in the wrecked car. If I did that, do you think I would be found not guilty just like him? After all, we’re both equal under the law.
This a bad analogy. Trump got found guilty.
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### Author:  [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6366 "2024-09-04T17:59:54Z")
Why doesn’t every person in legal jeopardy use the Trump tactic of delay, delay, delay, delay? Seems to work great for him and, here he is at it again.
> **[An unprecedented legal move could let Trump delay his hush-money sentencing...](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-presidential-immunity-could-delay-hush-money-sentencing-legal-experts-2024-8)**
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> A judge on Tuesday refused to take the case. But Trump can still use the state appellate system and his new immunity powers to ice his sentencing.
> But legal scholars predict Trump is about to use his new presidential immunity powers to execute an unprecedented legal maneuver, one that will [delay his hush-money sentencing](https://www.businessinsider.com/recusal-loss-trumps-hush-money-sentencing-faces-one-more-hurdle-2024-8), now set for September 18, until well after voters cast their ballots.
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> Two days before his sentencing, Trump, they predict, will seek something never before allowed in the appellate courts in New York or in most states for that matter: an interlocutory appeal.
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### Author:  [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6367 "2024-09-04T18:05:27Z")
Because most don’t have novel issues that have never been heard, or needed to be heard, by SCOTUS, owing to Trump’s status as a former president who has committed crimes.
ETA: Or for that matter, a SCOTUS that was so thoroughly corrupted by its partisan bent that it felt the need to run interference for a candidate or former president.
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### Author:  [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6368 "2024-09-04T18:52:40Z")
> [@chappachula](#):
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> Ted Kennedy got drunk and left his girlfriend to drown in the wrecked car. If I did that, do you think I would be found not guilty just like him? After all, we’re both equal under the law.
Ted Kennedy was not “found not guilty”. He pleaded guilty to a lesser-than-manslaughter charge, most likely a plea deal with the prosecutor. That kind of thing happens all the time, to ordinary citizens, though DUI offenses tend to get treated more harshly these days.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6369 "2024-09-04T18:57:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#):
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> Ted Kennedy was not “found not guilty”. He pleaded guilty to a lesser-than-manslaughter charge, most likely a plea deal with the prosecutor. That kind of thing happens all the time, to ordinary citizens, though DUI offenses tend to get treated more harshly these days.
Right. Laws get prosecuted differently as decades pass- it used to be that trying for a manslaughter conviction against a driver was really hard- now they happen commonly, even if the driver is sober.
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### Author:  [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6370 "2024-09-04T21:50:08Z")
> [@griffin1977](#):
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> It shouldn’t. We have a legal and political system based on written laws to apply the same to anyone. There is nothing written down in the law or constitution that says someone convicted of a state shouldn’t go to prison if they elected POTUS. So they should go to prison.
You’re right. It shouldn’t. But then we shouldn’t be in the position of having someone like Trump as a viable candidate for the presidency either. The truth is that I’ve grown rather disillusioned with our institutions and no longer feel as though I can trust them. Never in my life did I imagine a significant number of Americans would find the events of January 6, 2021 to be acceptable. Never in my life did I believe millions of Americans would not only accept an autocrat but willfully support one.
> [@griffin1977](#):
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> But given everything that has occurred in Trump’s prosecutions I am not that confident it will happen. But it absolutely should be the way it works.
I’m right there with you, buddy. I haven’t given up hope, not entirely, but I feel as though I’ve been rattled to the core.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6371 "2024-09-04T21:52:42Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> Why doesn’t every person in legal jeopardy use the Trump tactic of delay, delay, delay, delay?
In addition to @Aspenglow ’s comment;
Money.
Most people with criminal al charges don’t have the money to keep pushing boundaries.
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### Author:  [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6372 "2024-09-04T22:26:45Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> Why doesn’t every person in legal jeopardy use the Trump tactic of delay, delay, delay, delay? Seems to work great for him and, here he is at it again.
Because that neat trick only works on criminal cases where the defendant appointed the judge making the ruling. That’s the legal system we have now unfortunately
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### Author:  [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6373 "2024-09-04T22:31:03Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#):
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> Because most don’t have novel issues that have never been heard, or needed to be heard, by SCOTUS, owing to Trump’s status as a former president who has committed crimes.
> [@griffin1977](#):
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> Because that neat trick only works on criminal cases where the defendant appointed the judge making the ruling.
True today but Trump has been pulling this bullshit since long before he was president.
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> Money
Seems that is the answer.
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### Author:  [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6374 "2024-09-04T22:37:45Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> True today but Trump has been pulling this bullshit since long before he was president
He’s been pulling it in civil cases, it’s always been a reasonable strategy in civil cases if you have the money to pay lawyers for lots of spurious fillings and countersuing
In criminal cases it’s just a good way to piss off the judge without delaying the verdict in the slightest, unless you appointed the judge
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [September 4, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6375 "2024-09-04T23:51:43Z")
> [@griffin1977](#):
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> Because that neat trick only works on criminal cases where the defendant appointed the judge making the ruling.
That was in one case, which is not this case. trump did not appoint the NY Judge here.
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### Author:  [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6376 "2024-09-05T00:11:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> That was in one case, which is not this case. trump did not appoint the NY Judge here
Though the SCOTUS was (or a chunk of them were) and the cause the sentencing delay in the NY trial was the ridiculous immunity ruling by SCOTUS. The rest of trial was incredibly fast and efficiently run despite all Trump’s attempts at delay, which shows what happens in a criminal trial when you pull that BS (and didn’t appoint the judge in question)
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### Author:  [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6377 "2024-09-05T00:19:08Z")
I think the IRS/DOJ could have saved us from a lot of this grief if they’d done their job properly many years ago.
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6378 "2024-09-05T01:01:16Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#):
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> > [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> > Money
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> Seems that is the answer.
Then how is Trump managing it?
And the biggest reason that Trump wants to postpone the sentencing until after the election is because, if it’s still fresh in peoples’ minds on Election Day, it’ll swing a fair number of voters against him. What do you call an October Surprise, when it happens in September and nobody’s surprised by it?
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6379 "2024-09-05T01:06:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#):
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> Then how is Trump managing it?
He’s been using money from his PAC to pay his legal fees. The ~~marks~~ ~~rubes~~ donors are donating to his campaign expenses, which in his view, includes keeping him out of jail.
> [@Trump, PACs, and legal fees](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pacs-and-legal-fees/987843):
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> New York Times has an article about Trump and his legal fees. Apparently one of his PACs has asked for a refund of $60 million that it paid to one of his other PACs, because Trump is having trouble defending himself from his many criminal lawsuits and needs the money back. Things that jumped out at me from the story: What is the boundary between politics and legal defence for the laws governing PACs? He of course would say that the only reason he’s been charged is political corruption, to …
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### Author:  [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)
#### Post date: [September 5, 2024, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/6380 "2024-09-05T01:10:28Z")
[Trump loses bid to move hush money case to federal court.](https://www.axios.com/2024/09/03/trump-hush-money-case-new-york-federal-court)
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