# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1061 "2024-03-27T14:12:16Z")
Every time a gag order has been placed on him it has resulted in an appeal and a delay while that appeal is heard, then further appeals when the first appeal is lost, rinse, repeat. Delay, delay, delay. (Incidentally, every time he whines about “_now_ they’re putting me on trial, right during the election, why not earlier??!!!” I want to yell at the TV “because you’ve purposely caused endless delays, you bloated oxygen thief!”) If we weren’t talking about real danger to real people I’d say let him run his filthy foul mouth and just get on with the trial. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1062 "2024-03-27T14:35:46Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Incidentally, every time he whines about “_now_ they’re putting me on trial, right during the election, why not earlier??!!!” [![](https://i.imgur.com/LCvhWJD.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/LCvhWJD.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1063 "2024-03-27T14:55:43Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Every time a gag order has been placed on him it has resulted in an appeal and a delay while that appeal is heard, then further appeals when the first appeal is lost, rinse, repeat. Delay, delay, delay. Courts have all been treating him with kid gloves, but I believe this is the first case has in the New York State criminal justice system (as opposed to the feds). Orders regarding pretrial publicity would not be uncommon in a high profile case (perhaps even indicating to what extent media is given access to the proceedings). A gag order regarding jurors, litigants, and court personnel would be completely in line with that. Those aren’t usually appealable orders. I mean, he could object, and if he loses at trial can appeal the trial judge’s decision, but in a typical criminal trial the defendant doesn’t get to stop the case and raise an appeal every time the judge enters an order. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1064 "2024-03-27T15:13:05Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Every time a gag order has been placed on him it has resulted in an appeal and a delay while that appeal is heard, then further appeals when the first appeal is lost, rinse, repeat. Delay, delay, delay. (Incidentally, every time he whines about “_now_ they’re putting me on trial, right during the election, why not earlier??!!!” I want to yell at the TV “because you’ve purposely caused endless delays, you bloated oxygen thief!”) I don’t believe any appeal for a gag order has resulted in a delay to a trial. I’m hard pressed to see how or why it would delay anything. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1065 "2024-03-27T15:23:51Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I don’t believe any appeal for a gag order has resulted in a delay to a trial. I’m hard pressed to see how or why it would delay anything. You’re absolutely right. I looked it up after reading your post, and apparently I was conflating all of the _other_ appeals that resulted in trial delays with the gag order appeals. It’s so hard to keep track sometimes! Thanks for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1066 "2024-03-27T15:23:53Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I don’t believe any appeal for a gag order has resulted in a delay to a trial. I’m hard pressed to see how or why it would delay anything. That was my impression as well. This was not one of the appeals that slowed things down even in civil trials. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1067 "2024-03-27T15:48:18Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > You’re absolutely right. I looked it up after reading your post, and apparently I was conflating all of the _other_ appeals that resulted in trial delays with the gag order appeals. It’s so hard to keep track sometimes! Thanks for the correction. It can sometimes be hard to follow one trial because most of us aren’t familiar with the ins and outs of court procedures and the legal system as a whole. It gets really confusing when it comes to Trump becaues we’re looking at multiple criminal and civil cases throughout different jurisdictions. I’m not expert of course, so I don’t mind saying I’ve gotten confused a few times just trying to keep it all straight. For the gag orders, it’s about intimidating potential witnesses and playing to Trump’s base. Every time he talks to the press about his trials he’s stumping for his campaign. I don’t think it’s working for him overall but Trump’s base certainly eats it up. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1068 "2024-03-27T16:22:46Z")
I trying to imagine how a request to delay the trail until the gag order was appealed would go. “Your honor, our entire defense strategy has been built around the understanding that Trump would be able to threaten and intimidate those witness and members of the court who might act against him. Until this question in resolved we cannot proceed.” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1069 "2024-03-27T17:59:53Z")
Who saw this coming?? > **[“Not wise”: Trump goes after judge’s daughter one day after being hit with...](https://news.yahoo.com/not-wise-trump-goes-judge-163416216.html)** > > It may not be smart to "antagonize a judge" ahead of a criminal trial, legal expert warns. > Former President Donald Trump lashed out at the judge overseeing his Manhattan criminal hush-money case and his daughter after being hit with a gag order on Tuesday. Shocked. SHOCKED, I say!! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1070 "2024-03-27T18:01:08Z")
> It may not be smart to “antagonize a judge” ahead of a criminal trial, legal expert warns. Next up: Experts say that hitting yourself in the balls with a hammer is a poor idea. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1071 "2024-03-27T18:13:06Z")
> [@ColdBrew50](#): > > That’s cute, but recall this is some random private citizen who has decided to run for county dogcatcher, or potus, probably as a hobby or a joke. Several times now, granted, but, this is not an actual person any more than I am, when it comes to any privilege or “respect.” If you’re familiar with my posts, and I’m going to guess that you’re not, you would be aware that I’ve made the exact same point several times in threads around here. However, you ignored the main point of my post, which isn’t that Trump is entitled to kid gloves because he is running. He isn’t, and that’s painfully obvious. But _the unique situation does provide this SCOTUS with opportunities to further erode our First Amendment rights if gag orders are not carefully crafted_. That’s the true danger of which I believe the federal appeals courts have been very mindful. So maybe less “cute” than you assert. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1072 "2024-03-27T18:20:22Z")
So does he go to jail now, or will this just be one more lesson to him that he can ignore all the court orders he wants and never face any consequences for it? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1073 "2024-03-27T18:28:28Z")
From the article: > Georgie State University Law Prof. Anthony Michael Kreis noted that Trump is “free” to attack Merchan’s daughter under the gag order issues on Tuesday but “it is not wise to antagonize a judge.” My old boss was married to a very skilled attorney. She left the profession because she had hoped to be a _counselor_ who helped steer her clients away from jeopardy, but that isn’t what the clients wanted or the firm expected. This is Trump. He uses attorneys to help him define the ragged edge of the line, or a point 15-20% over the line, and then to bail him out when that area ends up being rife with anti-personnel mines. TL;DR: it appears as though his latest fusillade of stochastic terrorism did NOT violate the recent Gag Order, technically. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1074 "2024-03-27T18:51:03Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > TL;DR: it appears as though his latest fusillade of stochastic terrorism did NOT violate the recent Gag Order, technically. It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump’s first question to his lawyers after the gag order was issued was “Well, who _CAN_ I attack?” ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1075 "2024-03-27T19:12:45Z")
This will be classic “fuck around and find out” territory. There is no possible way Trump remains compliant with the order throughout the trial. None. Should be entertaining. This judge does not suffer nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1076 "2024-03-27T20:04:15Z")
I fully believe that TFG’s latest screed was written by an attorney. It almost certainly wasn’t written by him. There were no ALL CAPS comments. No misspelled words. It was almost coherent. Still stupid though. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1077 "2024-03-27T20:07:43Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > This will be classic “fuck around and find out” territory. There is no possible way Trump remains compliant with the order throughout the trial. None. You called it: > **[Trump targets hush money trial judge's daughter one day after gag order](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/27/trump-targets-hush-money-judges-daughter-one-day-after-gag-order-.html)** > > Donald Trump's Truth Social posts came one day after New York Judge Juan Merchan imposed a gag order limiting what Trump can say about the case. "[\*Donald Trump](https://www.cnbc.com/donald-trump/) on Wednesday again targeted on social media the daughter of the judge in his upcoming criminal [hush money trial](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/25/trump-attends-hush-money-case-hearing-as-he-seeks-trial-delay.html) — one day after that judge imposed a [gag order](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/26/trump-hit-with-gag-order-in-new-york-hush-money-case-after-slamming-judge.html) limiting what Trump can say about the case.\* _Trump, in a [Truth](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/112168132432855508)[Social](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112168131310885618) [screed](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/112168130782172121), slammed New York Supreme Court Judge Juan Merchan as a “hater” and repeated his call for the judge to [recuse himself](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/26/trump-attacks-hush-money-judge-points-to-daughters-political-work.html) from the case._ _Trump pointed to Merchan’s daughter’s work in progressive politics, and a social media account that he claims is hers, as evidence that it is “completely impossible” for him to get a “fair trial.”_ _Merchan’s daughter “represents Crooked Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Adam ‘Shifty’ Schiff, and other Radical Liberals, [and] has just posted a picture of me behind bars, her obvious goal,” Trump claimed._ ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1078 "2024-03-27T20:13:12Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > Should be entertaining. This judge does not suffer nonsense. What you say is possible, but it could also prove to be enraging. Waiting for concrete consequences for Trump due to his big damn dumb mouth is driving me up a wall. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1079 "2024-03-27T20:28:09Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > What you say is possible, but it could also prove to be enraging. Waiting for concrete consequences for Trump due to his big damn dumb mouth is driving me up a wall. I know what you mean. But Trump shooting off his mouth to his own detriment is not a bet with long odds. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1080 "2024-03-27T20:32:10Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Trump pointed to Merchan’s daughter’s work in progressive politics, and a social media account that he claims is hers, as evidence that it is “completely impossible” for him to get a “fair trial.” It’s a shame the judge in the Georgia case opened the door to Trump getting officials dismissed on account of the “appearance of impropriety”. Absolutely everyone is guilty of this in one way or another and Trump will exploit this as much as he can to say he can’t possibly be prosecuted by anyone because they are all out to get him. Now that Trump has had some success with this strategy he will repeat it over and over in every single case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=55)