# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1121 "2024-04-03T14:02:11Z")
Always a problem looking for “Trump does stupid s#^&”. Four pages into the search results, you’re only to \*LAST TUESDAY. \* ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1122 "2024-04-03T21:15:13Z")
The judge continues moving the case forward with alacrity. > [@](#): > > Defendant’s motion is DENIED in its entirety as untimely. The Court declines to consider whether the doctrine of presidential immunity precludes the introduction of evidence of purported official presidential acts in a criminal proceeding > **[Hush money judge rejects Trump’s immunity claims as untimely](https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4573246-hush-money-judge-trumps-immunity-new-york/amp/)** > > A New York judge rejected former President Trump’s presidential immunity claims in his hush money case on Wednesday, saying Trump waited too long to raise the defense.  Justice Juan Merchan’s … ---
**Author:** ![Eric1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3bc359/32.png) [@Eric1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eric1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1123 "2024-04-03T22:04:13Z")
That’s hilarious that Judge Merchan disregarded the motion that the Supreme Court may be hearing the immunity on the 25th but the judge isn’t waiting after the 15th. If I liked Trump, I’d empathize with his ignorance of the law. Yet in reality, hell no. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1124 "2024-04-04T20:00:21Z")
He didn’t just disregard it, the Court _denied_ it on the basis they didn’t file timely. Maybe if they’d brought this up several months ago, but not two weeks before trial. The practice of law is forgiving in many respects, but not when it comes to missing deadlines. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1125 "2024-04-06T00:15:02Z")
This is the whine that never ends It just goes on and on, my friend… > **[Donald Trump is demanding a new judge just days before the start of his...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-says-trumps-lawyers-cant-194755266.html)** > > Former President Donald Trump is demanding a new judge just days before his hush-money criminal trial is set to begin, rehashing longstanding grievances with the current judge in a long-shot, eleventh-hour bid to disrupt and delay the case. Trump's... Former President Donald Trump is demanding a new judge just days before his hush-money criminal trial is set to begin, rehashing longstanding grievances with t… The newest gag order enjoins him from talking about the judge’s daughter, so he decided to file a motion about her instead. This is essentially the exact same motion he put forth last year, the judge should recuse himself because his daughter sometimes works for Democratic candidates and causes. Filed right at close of business on Friday to ensure there’s maximum RW coverage before the judge wags his finger in donnie’s face and says, “What did I already tell you?! No!” ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1126 "2024-04-06T01:31:21Z")
The last gasp will be to fire his lawyers and to try and move the trial back to go find new ones and then get them up to speed. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1127 "2024-04-06T09:57:22Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Filed right at close of business on Friday to ensure there’s maximum RW coverage before the judge wags his finger in donnie’s face and says, “What did I already tell you?! No!” Shut the fuck up, Donnie! You’re out of your element. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1128 "2024-04-06T11:35:36Z")
When a new one is discovered he’ll want it named after himself. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1129 "2024-04-06T15:57:27Z")
“Donnium”? It somehow seems appropriate, as any new element they discover will be so unstable that it will decay faster than a thought in his head. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1130 "2024-04-08T15:07:42Z")
Notices have been sent out to possible jurors. I don’t envy the lawyers in their task of whittling down the number of people. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1131 "2024-04-08T16:55:05Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Notices have been sent out to possible jurors. About 500, from what I’ve read. That’s a humongous jury pool for a single criminal case. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1132 "2024-04-08T16:56:50Z")
It really isn’t, not for a high profile state case. In a highly publicized case I did quite a number of years ago, we went through nearly 1,200 prospective jurors to get 12 regulars and 6 alternates. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1133 "2024-04-08T17:22:21Z")
There have been a couple of cases in my city where the jury selection was held in the ballroom of a hotel, or the main auditorium of our concert hall. Hasn’t been one yet at the Riders’ football stadium, but given the right circumstances … ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1134 "2024-04-08T17:45:56Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > There have been a couple of cases in my city where the jury selection was held in the ballroom of a hotel, or the main auditorium of our concert hall. King County (WA) does jury selection by zoom these days. We send out a questionnaire in advance, and many of the “hardships” are excused without anything more. The questionnaire also identifies people who might have heard of the case or have opinions, and we can then schedule individual questioning for those. We can easily tackle a pool of 200 or more this way, pretty efficiently. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1135 "2024-04-08T18:04:57Z")
From the NY Times: “[Trump to Sue Judge in Last-Ditch Attempt to Avert Manhattan Trial](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/08/nyregion/trump-hush-money-trial-delay.html?unlocked_article_code=1.i00.wDmu.-iwfikLiNQN8&smid=url-share)” (ETA: Gift link) > Donald J. Trump, a week away from [standing trial in Manhattan on criminal charges that he falsified records to cover up a sex scandal](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/08/nyregion/donald-trump-trial-what-to-know.html), has indicated he plans to file a lawsuit against the judge overseeing the case. > > Court records showed on Monday that Mr. Trump was filing an action against the judge, [Juan M. Merchan](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/08/nyregion/trump-criminal-hush-money-trial-merchan.html), though the papers were not immediately made public. > Two people with knowledge of the matter said that Mr. Trump’s lawyers on Monday planned to file the action calling on an appeals court to delay the trial and to challenge [a gag order](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/nyregion/trump-gag-order-juan-merchan.html) that Justice Merchan recently imposed on the former president. The order prevents Mr. Trump from attacking witnesses, prosecutors and the judge’s own family. > > Mr. Trump’s unorthodox move — essentially an appeal in the form of a lawsuit — is unlikely to succeed, particularly so close to trial. > > And the appeals court might act fast to reject it. A single appeals court judge will most likely issue a preliminary ruling on Monday, setting up a full five-judge panel to consider Mr. Trump’s request in the coming days. Hopefully the appeals court will knock this bullshit down quickly and severely. But I gotta say, for a trial that many law-talking people said was a stretch and not as serious as his other trials, Trump sure seems to be desperate to avoid having it start. I hope that is a good sign that this trial will damage him (electorally, if nothing else). ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1136 "2024-04-08T19:08:38Z")
From the article: > In a separate filing with the appeals court on Monday, Mr. Trump was expected to ask the court to move the trial outside Manhattan. The request reflects his deep unpopularity in the solidly Democratic borough. I guess this is “throw shit against the wall to see if any of it sticks” I wonder what the appeal will say? Perhaps “It’s not fair. People in Manhattan hate me because they know me. They just don’t like the fact that I’m a racist landlord, and have committed crimes. I want my trial to be in Amarillo Texas.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1137 "2024-04-08T19:19:08Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > In a separate filing with the appeals court on Monday, Mr. Trump was expected to ask the court to move the trial outside Manhattan. The request reflects his deep unpopularity in the solidly Democratic borough. > > I guess this is “throw shit against the wall to see if any of it sticks” It’s a proper motion, but should have been filed over a year ago. It’s a little (way) late now. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1138 "2024-04-08T21:15:23Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > It’s a proper motion, but should have been filed over a year ago. It’s a little (way) late now. Is it? For the sake of argument let’s say that this involved a normal human being. What if new information came to light that wasn’t known before that would make the judge inelligible? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1139 "2024-04-08T21:38:47Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > What if new information came to light that wasn’t known before that would make the judge inelligible? I was talking about the motion to move the trial outside of Manhattan. Not the motion to disqualify the judge. And, to be clear, even the motion to change venue would be a long shot. I’m just saying if they wanted to make that motion, they should have either made it a long time ago, or wait until they start questioning jurors and use that information in support of their motion. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1140 "2024-04-08T21:52:17Z")
I totally agree with you in that case [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=58)