# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1641 "2024-04-17T23:09:07Z")
So they can do those Internet searches? ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1642 "2024-04-17T23:13:52Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Puerto Ricans lean pretty strongly Conservative in general That may be, but from the polling numbers I’ve seen, Puerto Rican voters don’t seem to support Trump. Maybe for this juror it’s different since he’s older. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1643 "2024-04-17T23:16:28Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > I’m a little surprised to learn that prospective juror names are known to both counsels before voir dire. Aren’t they searching in real-time as they interview jurors? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1644 "2024-04-17T23:25:49Z")
> [@CaveMike](#): > > Aren’t they searching in real-time as they interview jurors? If they have a questionnaire, like in this case, it can be done in advance. If we’re doing it the “old way” and we learn the names that morning, it’s a simultaneous process. We have 8 or 9 people working remotely on the names as soon as we get them. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1645 "2024-04-17T23:29:16Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > It talks only of Trump’s side mining social media based As I recall this was trumps lawyers being a bit sketchy (shocking I know!) as this wasn’t really the point to start calling out their social media posts. They were called out by the judge for this, they should have brought it up with them when they interviewed the prospective jurors in private prior to this. Presumably this is what the prosecution did so we didn’t read about in the papers ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1646 "2024-04-17T23:30:55Z")
It’s common for employers that check online profiles of prospective hires to red-flag applicants with little to no online presence. Is that also the conventional wisdom when it comes to prospective jurors? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1647 "2024-04-17T23:34:56Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Is that also the conventional wisdom when it comes to prospective jurors? I can’t speak for others, but we don’t look negatively on jurors with no on line presence. It happens quite often, actually. ETA: We’re not just searching social media ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1648 "2024-04-17T23:35:41Z")
People are still idiots but they are way better at buttoning themselves up nowadays. My mom helped with grade school teacher training and from the late 90s through maybe 2005 she would print out what she would find on each student teacher and give it to them. She said, “if an old lady can find this, imagine what a student can find.” Eventually she rarely found anything. I imagine that the soon to be student teacher group is generally more careful but little online presense shouldn’t be a red flag. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1649 "2024-04-17T23:58:35Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > It’s common for employers that check online profiles of prospective hires to red-flag applicants with little to no online presence. Is that also the conventional wisdom when it comes to prospective jurors? It happens with employers but there’s some controversy in the HR world about it. There’s some concern a prospective employer might engage in discriminatory practices based on membership in a protected class. i.e. This woman has a young child and we don’t want someone likely to miss a lot of days, this guy is older and we’re looking for a young go getter, this person has photos of them at their mosque, etc., etc. I advise my hiring managers not to look up candidates on social media platforms besides professional ones like LinkedIn but I’m pretty sure they ignore me. Best practice is for an employer to have a third party vendor look into social media accounts if they really feel the need to check. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1650 "2024-04-17T23:59:25Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > One can live a fulfilling life without news, and they do so. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Some people just don’t care about politics, and are lucky to live in a country that affords them the privilege of not doing so. Does this person vote? On what basis do you suppose they cast their votes? The only kind of country where one can justifiably not “care about politics” is a non-democratic dictatorship. In a democracy, being aware of basic current events is a civic responsibility. In the absence of that awareness, a dangerous demagogue can get elected president of the United States. To quote the motto adopted by the _Washington Post_, democracy dies in darkness. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1651 "2024-04-18T00:00:36Z")
I’ve wondered how I would fare on that jury panel. If asked, I would be honest and tell them that I consider myself a critical thinker and a logician at heart and that I’m sure I would do well on any jury they sat me on … but there’s also no doubt that I consider Donald Trump to be a immoral fucking buffoon who has done his best to ruin this country. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1652 "2024-04-18T00:12:20Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’ve wondered how I would fare on that jury panel. If asked, I would be honest and tell them that I consider myself a critical thinker and a logician at heart and that I’m sure I would do well on any jury they sat me on … but there’s also no doubt that I consider Donald Trump to be a immoral fucking buffoon who has done his best to ruin this country.   Yeah, I’ve thought about how I would do during jury selection. My attitude would be much like you just said, and I think that last part would be considered implied by the first part – IOW, I’m sure the defense would reject both of us, on the grounds of “much too rational and likely much too inclined to logically weigh the evidence”. The defense is looking for an OJ jury. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1653 "2024-04-18T00:21:24Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’ve wondered how I would fare on that jury panel I thought about that. Specifically the “would be able to deliver an unbiased verdict” question that over 50% said no to (or however it was phrased). I am not sure I could answer “yes” honestly, I cannot imagine ever finding him not guilty regardless of the evidence. It’s fairly academic as my social media has enough references to “the Cheeto Mussolini” to rule me out. I would be somewhat concerned that I would be then leaving the jury pool to be filled with sociopaths who have no problem lying(a demographic that favours Trump I’m sure) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1654 "2024-04-18T00:23:48Z")
I don’t recall anyone being asked about their social media history the last time I did jury duty, but that was 2011 so things have probably changed since then. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1655 "2024-04-18T00:24:44Z")
I’d point at donald and say “I’d be a horrible juror because I look forward to pissing on that guy’s grave in a few years. Donald, you are going to die broke and in prison.” And with that I’d wish them a good day. > [@wolfpup](#): > > In the absence of that awareness, a dangerous demagogue can get elected president of the United States _You don’t say_ ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1656 "2024-04-18T00:39:41Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I’d point at donald and say “I’d be a horrible juror because I look forward to pissing on that guy’s grave in a few years. Donald, you are going to die broke and in prison.” That risks contempt of court. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1657 "2024-04-18T00:43:11Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > That risks contempt of court. Civil disobedience. I’d take the hit. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1658 "2024-04-18T00:54:06Z")
Just let them know your doper username (Which I think you are required to do anyway). They’ll figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1659 "2024-04-18T00:59:00Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > They’ll figure it out. Oh, no. People who were excluded from the jury pool were interviewed and confirmed that donald was about 30 feet away. I want to look him in the eye when I insult him. It would be my pleasure. (And if I have to disclose my doper name, then I’m @Beckdawrek. Let them have fun with that one!) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1660 "2024-04-18T01:08:02Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > That risks contempt of court. Does it really? I understand that the attorneys, and other court personnel, have to be decorous when addressing the judge, but how can an honest answer like Moriarty’s be considered contemptuous? The language may be a bit harsh, but if someone is asked what he thinks of the defendant, and that’s what he thinks of the defendant, that seems like the right answer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=84)