# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1721 "2024-04-18T17:01:10Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > There was no details other than that. **Do we know if this is a question everyone is asked, or just this particular person?** Pretty sure that’s a bog standard question. They want to identify people who might have grudges against cops or prosecutors. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1722 "2024-04-18T17:02:14Z")
Moderating: > [@JKellyMap](#): > > Not at all (perhaps you’re thinking of “within 100 feet of a polling site, on Election Day”). > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > No, I mean that the vast majority of the political _posters_ (as opposed to yard signs) I see are posted illegally on phone poles or on vacant buildings. > [@JKellyMap](#): > > Perhaps. I was picturing posters on private property, such as a commercial building – a store, say, or an office building exterior – or maybe a shopping mall (though these are usually “semi-private” spaces where what is allowed or forbidden can partly coincide with truly public-space rules). What a great discussion to have. Just not in this thread. Please drop it here now. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1723 "2024-04-18T17:03:15Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > During deliberations, it was the same in California. I think that was the original question from @Buck_Godot: > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > suppose you have 11 Jurors in favor of conviction, and the one holdout admits **inside the deliberations** Bolding mine. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1724 "2024-04-18T17:05:02Z")
Ahh, thanks for pointing out my mistake! I should have read more closely. I was preoccupied with cleaning up dog vomit. Not an excuse, just an explanation. My apologies to @Buck_Godot. My response was poor. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1725 "2024-04-18T17:06:59Z")
"One juror was just dismissed after disclosing that he was born and raised in Italy and then comparing Trump to Silvio Berlusconi, the former prime minister of Italy. Berlusconi was an infamous womanizer and was convicted of tax fraud in 2013" (NBC site) (While we don’t know the final makeup yet, the foreign-born component of this jury might be interesting. Is the Irish-born person still on it? Overall, I think this is a good thing – perhaps more likely to decide on the evidence presented, all other things being equal, rather than being fully enmeshed in US politics – but I’m generalizing. A foreign-born person can be biased, too, of course – indeed, I’ve met pro-Trump residents of Ireland). ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1726 "2024-04-18T17:07:01Z")
Thanks. Makes sense. It would have to be his own arrest/conviction, or if not, he’d really have to admit that he knew about stuff and actually lied about it (versus just not having any idea and assuming his family had never been in trouble with the law). NYT reported it’s all sealed so we may never know for some time: > The reasons for the juror’s dismissal will remain a mystery for at least some time: Justice Merchan has sealed that part of the record. All we know is that there were concerns about his credibility. But he apparently was making everyone laugh (except the Judge) when he was being asked questions. > The conversation with juror #4 was inconclusive, but did not go like I expected, given that he was accused of lying. His answers appeared to make a defense lawyer, Todd Blanche, laugh out loud…later, juror explained something at length, gesticulating and setting off more laughter… ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1727 "2024-04-18T17:11:05Z")
cnn is giving out a lot of info. 18 have gone through the judge’s questions. and they are heading for a lunch break. court on break until after 2pm. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1728 "2024-04-18T17:11:15Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Per NYT: > > > Earlier today, prosecutors said that this juror may have been untruthful when answering a question about **whether he or a relative had ever been accused or convicted of a crime**. > > There was no details other than that. **Do we know if this is a question everyone is asked, or just this particular person?** > > If everyone, my point is only that is a very broad question with words like “relatives” and “accused”. I’m not a bad guy and I run in good circles, but I’d have to just _default_ to Yes on that question. Or more simply, how the fuck should I know. Presumably they would mean some fairly close relative who you interact with regularly and whose situation you would be in a position to know about, not some distant 5th cousin thrice removed still residing in Lower Slobovia and convicted of making fun of Dear Leader’s toupee. I could confidently answer “no” to that question. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1729 "2024-04-18T17:11:40Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Or more simply, how the fuck should I know. They ask you _if you know or are aware of any_ obviously. They don’t expect you to be omniscient. If it happened and not one told you it wouldn’t count. Come on. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1730 "2024-04-18T17:24:44Z")
From some Washington Post reporting, a bit more information about Juror 4, who was dismissed. > Juror 4 arrived in the courthouse shortly before noon; he was supposed to get there at 9:15. > > Prosecutors flagged him as a concern because someone with his name was arrested in the 1990s for tearing down right-wing posters and is married to a woman who entered a deferred prosecution agreement over corruption charges. I hate people who don’t show up on time. It’s a major pet peeve of mine. I’m of the “if you’re not 15 minutes early then you’re late” school. I wonder if this is the same “Juror #4”? > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > ### Juror 4 > > - Runs an IT business for training and consulting > - Attended one year of college > - An older man originally from Puerto Rico who is married with adult children and two grandkids > - Told the court he finds Trump fascinating and mysterious but didn’t indicate any strong feelings about his politics ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1731 "2024-04-18T17:26:25Z")
Got it. It’s wasn’t obvious to me, i just took the question as I saw it. There is a bit lost in translation when the info comes in via reporters. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1732 "2024-04-18T17:29:56Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Can they call him out as biased at that point and replace him with an alternate, or is it too late? There was a non-low-profile case in Oregon (at least two of the defendants were named Bundy) in which the jury did ask for a juror to be replaced, and that person was. The alternates sit in the box for the entire trial, so they are fully qualified for deliberations. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1733 "2024-04-18T17:30:42Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > I hate people who don’t show up on time. It’s a major pet peeve of mine. I’m of the “if you’re not 15 minutes early then you’re late” school. I saw somewhere that he thought he was supposed to come to court on Friday. I can forgive some confusion - when he left court Tuesday, the judge told them to come back Monday. Then maybe he gets an urgent email or text saying something like you must come to court tomorrow, but he doesn’t read it until today, or he mixes up his days. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1734 "2024-04-18T17:37:52Z")
so far no one has mentioned the sdmb as a news source… ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1735 "2024-04-18T18:09:23Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > My apologies to @Buck_Godot. My response was poor. No problem. I knew that after the verdict/hung jury its too late, but its good to hear that argument in deliberations can be used to flag potential jurors. Because while it may be possible for a Trumper to hide his views during Voir dire, when he has to defend ignoring the evidence against 11 other jurors who want to get on with their lives but are stuck here because of one pig-headed obstructionist its going to come out that his reasons are primarily partisan. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1736 "2024-04-18T18:15:00Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I’m sure the defense would reject both of us, on the grounds of “much too rational and likely much too inclined to logically weigh the evidence”. This is exactly what happened with the last jury I was possibly going to be selected for. It was a civil case, and the defense was obviously dismissing anyone who’d had a job requiring any kind of analysis or logic. I made it through most of one day, and then was dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![CaveMike](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cavemike/32/16379_2.png) [@CaveMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaveMike)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1737 "2024-04-18T18:39:58Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > He’s busy with the jury stuff… > > So just give Trump more time to taint the jury and have his mob threaten them? This way the judge, not the defendent, controls the agenda and timeline. Reacting to Trump gives him a mechanism to create more delays. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1738 "2024-04-18T18:45:58Z")
from cnn: Judge Juan Merchan said another batch of 96 jurors will be brought in to be sworn in. He’ll then send them home for the day and plan for them to return tomorrow around 11 or 11:30 a.m. ET for questions. Court typically starts around 9:30 a.m. ET. The reason they are starting later with this panel is because there are still prospective jurors from the second panel they haven’t gone through yet, which they will likely do Friday morning. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1739 "2024-04-18T18:51:23Z")
> [@CaveMike](#): > > This way the judge, not the defendent, controls the agenda and timeline. Reacting to Trump gives him a mechanism to create more delays. Wouldn’t telling the bailiff to drag him off to Rikers constitute a rather dramatic instance of the judge controlling the agenda? Surely you can’t appeal being jailed for contempt of court? You could file a complaint against the judge at some point in the future, but you’re still spending the weekend in a cell. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1740 "2024-04-18T19:21:26Z")
Once the jury is seated I don’t see how sequestration can be avoided. The jurors are going to need alot of security and shielded from third party contact attemps (and from their own families in some cases.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=88)