# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1781 "2024-04-18T21:05:42Z")
Time for Jesse Waters via Faux News to name the newest ones on the air, and “people-are-saying” (that’s a verb) their character. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1782 "2024-04-18T21:08:03Z")
Trump leaving courtroom. Complaining about not being able to go where he should be campaigning. Unfair trial. Bunch of paperwork, mostly op-eds from media: “Case is ridiculous; Bragg is the fraud, his indictment fails; he’s crossed the Rubicon; everybody is outraged.” “Meanwhile murders going on right outside. Opinions saying no case, they don’t like Bragg’s chances. It’s political, caused by Joe Biden. Whole world is watching this New York scam. Daily Caller: ‘America is a 3rd world country’.” “Freezing in the courtroom [he’s referring to the temperature in the room]. World is watching this hoax. DA is out of control, judge is conflicted. No justice.” Leaving, not taking questions. Best I could do to get his remarks down. Might have made a few typos. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1783 "2024-04-18T21:12:14Z")
If you’re transcribing Trump, that’s reasonable. He would have written them the same way! ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1784 "2024-04-18T21:57:41Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The empaneled jurors have been sworn in. So Trump is now officially in jeopardy? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1785 "2024-04-18T22:03:50Z")
Ayup. > Jeopardy attaches at the moment a prosecution commences - in a jury trial when the jury is empaneled and in a bench trial when the first witness is sworn. [**SOURCE**](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/jeopardy) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1786 "2024-04-18T22:04:45Z")
Sorry – what does “jeopardy” mean here, in laymen’s terms? Never mind – it says at David’s link: Jeopardy is a danger of harm; the [risk](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/risk) of loss. In legal contexts, jeopardy often refers to the risk of criminal [liability](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/liability) that a [defendant](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant) faces at [trial](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/trial). ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1787 "2024-04-18T22:06:01Z")
Our jury so far – at a glance [CNN] > [@](#): > > _Here’s what we know about the seven men and five women on the jury:_ > > - **The first seated juror,** who will be the foreperson on Trump’s jury, is a man originally from Ireland. He works in sales and has some college education. He is married but doesn’t have kids. He reads the New York Times and Daily Mail and watches some Fox News and MSNBC. > - **Juror two** is an investment banker who has a Master’s degree. He lives with his wife and does not have any kids. He follows Trump’s TruthSocial posts as well as Michael Cohen on X, formerly known as Twitter. He said he’s followed Trump since he became president and has seen quotes from Trump’s book “The Art of the Deal.” > - **Juror three** is a corporate lawyer originally from Oregon. He gets his news from the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Google. He’s a younger man who’s never been married and doesn’t have kids. > - **Juror four** is a security engineer who is married and has three kids. He has a high school diploma, no social media and reads a “smattering” of the news organizations named in the questionnaire. > - **Juror five** is a young Black woman who teaches English in a public charter school system. She has a Master’s degree in education, is not married and doesn’t have any kids. > - **Juror six** is a software engineer at a large broadcast company who recently graduated from college. She voiced no strong feelings about Trump, is not married, has no kids and currently lives with three roommates in Chelsea. The juror gets her news from the New York Times, Google, Facebook and TikTok. > - **Juror seven** is a civil litigator who is married with two kids and lives on the Upper East Side in Manhattan. Originally from North Carolina, he reads the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, New York Post and Washington Post. He said he has “political views as to the Trump presidency” and that he thinks there were likely Trump administration policies he disagreed with. > - **Juror eight** is a retired wealth manager who is married with two kids. The man’s hobbies include fly fishing and yoga. > - **Juror nine** is a speech therapist with a Master’s degree. She’s not married and lives alone. > - **Juror 10** works for an e-commerce company and says he doesn’t really follow the news. He does, however, listen to podcasts on behavioral psychology. He was born and raised in Ohio, is unmarried and lives with another adult. He says he loves to spend time outdoors and with animals. > - **Juror 11** was seated on the jury after Judge Juan Merchan denied Trump’s challenge to remove her for cause. Trump’s lawyers argued she should be dismissed because she said she does not like Trump’s “persona.” The juror works for a multinational apparel company, is not a native New Yorker, is not married and doesn’t have kids. She doesn’t really follow the news but occasionally follows headlines and reads industry-specific publications. > - **The final juror** seated on the main panel is a physical therapist. She has a doctorate degree and reads the New York Times, USA Today and CNN. > > **Meanwhile, the first empaneled alternate juror** is an analyst for an asset management company who grew up in England. She lives with her boyfriend. She reads the Wall Street Journal and New York Times. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1788 "2024-04-18T22:06:39Z")
And it matters most because you ONLY get ONE bite at the apple: > **[Double jeopardy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_jeopardy)** > > In jurisprudence, double jeopardy is a procedural defence (primarily in common law jurisdictions) that prevents an accused person from being tried again on the same (or similar) charges following an acquittal or conviction and in rare cases prosecutorial and/or judge misconduct in the same jurisdiction. Double jeopardy is a common concept in criminal law - in civil law, a similar concept is that of res judicata. The double jeopardy protection in criminal prosecutions only bars an identical pr... ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1789 "2024-04-18T22:07:01Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Trump is now officially in jeopardy? Does this mean he has to give all responses from now on in the form of a question? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1790 "2024-04-18T22:08:34Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Sorry – what does “jeopardy” mean here, in laymen’s terms? I’ll take “Ways Trump is Screwed” for $400, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1791 "2024-04-18T22:09:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Alex I think it may be time we let the man rest 😉 Ken. We also would have accepted Mayim. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1792 "2024-04-18T22:12:13Z")
🎵Now Trump’s in jeopardy…baby 🎵 ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1793 "2024-04-18T22:20:40Z")
I predict it’s Juror 4 that hangs it. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1794 "2024-04-18T22:23:51Z")
So we have 12 plus 1. Only five more so long as no one else lied. I’m impressed. We can start on Monday and with any luck Barron gets to see daddy at graduation ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1795 "2024-04-18T22:40:06Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > with any luck Barron gets to see daddy at graduation With even more luck, by Barron’s graduation, Daddy is in Rikers. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1796 "2024-04-18T22:43:38Z")
Some interesting commentary from Wolf Blitzer’s panelists on CNN. They’re noticing that he’s paying attention in the courtroom, but seems a little uncomfortable. Nobody would be comfortable in such a situation, but Trump especially, because as one panelist noted (paraphrased), “He’s not in control. He’s in control everywhere else—his golf courses, when he rode on Air Force One—but he’s not in control here, and that seems to really bother him.” There’s also commentary on Trump’s remarks after leaving the courtroom. Again, paraphrased: “He’s complaining about being unable to campaign, but he’s not using his time to do even a little campaigning in the time he’s given. He’s just complaining: unfair, political, and so on.” ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1797 "2024-04-18T22:44:06Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > 🎵Now Trump’s in jeopardy…baby 🎵 I hate you for getting a mediocre 80s song stuck in my head. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1798 "2024-04-18T22:48:46Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > And it matters most because you ONLY get ONE bite at the apple: This is NYC so it’s a big one to bite. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1799 "2024-04-18T22:51:44Z")
Don’t mind the maggots. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/1800 "2024-04-18T22:52:43Z")
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