# Manhattan: wake up call or whiny bitch? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 25, 2005, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439 "2005-05-25T15:07:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/281 "2005-05-28T21:24:39Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Fair enough. But I still disagree. In you example, you’ve changed the last letter of the acronym to fit your meaning. > > My contention remains that using the DNFTT acronyn as is, and then adding “wit” at the end, is at the very least disingenous. > > To wit: > > [DNFTT](http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=DNFTT) = well known acronym. > > [DNFTTwit](http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=DNFTTwit)= Made-up bullshit to disguise intent. > > In any event, **Shodan** will be glad to hear that I am on my way to the optician. As per Moderator’s ruling, I was wrong and I offer him my apologies – under protest. Fuck apologizing. I got a warning and he gets a pass. BULLSHIT. Way to bend over backwards to placate the conservative whiners who feel that their lack of representation makes the SDMB a Liberal hate group. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/282 "2005-05-28T22:04:43Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I believe that this is an example of _one_ type of post that would be prohibited according to the suggestions of **Polerius** in post [#244](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6206164&postcount=244). In my opinion, I made a statement of fact. I am bright enough not to post that statement of fact in GD, as some could interpret it as a personal attack. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/283 "2005-05-28T22:23:33Z")
> [@Mockingbird](#): > > Way to bend over backwards to placate the conservative whiners who feel that their lack of representation makes the SDMB a Liberal hate group. Get off the cross, you fucking baby. The post for which you were warned was a clear-cut case of calling another poster a troll: **Shodan** : “Trolls do X” **Mockingbird** : “Yes, you do.” How can that be interpreted as anything other than “you, **Shodan** , are a troll”? **Shodan** on the other hand used part of a well-known acronym _but specifically changed the word troll to the word twit_. Using part of acronym does not automatically confer the meaning of the omitted part. WTFudge would not constitute swearing, IANALampshade doesn’t mean that one is claiming to not be a lawyer. Changing words in sentences and phrases can make them mean different things! It’s amazing! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/284 "2005-05-28T22:32:11Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Using part of acronym does not automatically confer the meaning of the omitted part. WTFudge would not constitute swearing, IANALampshade doesn’t mean that one is claiming to not be a lawyer. Changing words in sentences and phrases can make them mean different things! It’s amazing! YMMVanish ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/285 "2005-05-28T22:35:19Z")
In My Hostile Opinion ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/286 "2005-05-28T22:48:17Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > In any event, **Shodan** will be glad to hear that I am on my way to the optician. As per Moderator’s ruling, I was wrong and I offer him my apologies – under protest. _:shrugs:_ Fair enough. Thanks for the quick response, **Giraffe**. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/287 "2005-05-28T22:55:31Z")
Ah, **Giraffe** is right. It was a very clever bit. Not that I agree with **Shodan** ’s characterization, obviously. But this was a very clever way of calling someone a twit, and as this is the Pit (hmm, that rhymes), it’s not even much of a thing to call someone. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/288 "2005-05-28T22:56:35Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > _:shrugs:_ Fair enough. > > Thanks for the quick response, **Giraffe**. It was my pleasure, sir! Remember that, as a conservative, you’re entitled to Platinum Level Moderator Service. If any of these undesirables give you any more trouble, just call me on my cell phone and I’ll take care of it immediately. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/289 "2005-05-28T23:34:56Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Let’s try reading that quote again. This time, we bold the part that you can’t seem to see. Huh, I missed that on my first reading, too. Guess I’m just not used to seeing wit in your posts. Daniel [sub](C’mon, how could I pass up a straight line like that?)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/290 "2005-05-28T23:48:30Z")
I believe the quality is called “forbearance”. Or so I’ve heard. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2005, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/291 "2005-05-28T23:49:43Z")
I thought that’s what you bought little six-armed sweaters for. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/292 "2005-05-29T00:52:43Z")
So what does “Do not feed the twit?” mean, if not “Ignore this person because they are looking for attention?” What are you feeding the twit? What does the twit want? How is this really any different from DNFTT? Perhaps if I refer to “bridges and sheep” that will be okay, because I am only talking about the “Three Sheep Gruff.” Or maybe I can decry **Shodan’s** ogre-ing? Wow, what a fun game we can play, now that a moderator has ruled that with tweaks, veiled variations on the theme of \*\*\*\*\* are acceptable! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/293 "2005-05-29T01:08:45Z")
Oh for gods sake. **Shodan** didn’t mean troll. You can’t read his mind to say otherwise. The mod has spoken. Let’s move on. Originally Posted by **tomndebb** > [@](#): > > I believe that this is an example of one type of post that would be prohibited according to the suggestions of Polerius in post #244. Is there a general consensus among all the parties following this thread that the rule of Polerius be implemented? (I’m making no claim that the staff would corporately agree to such an additional rule; I am asking whether there is a general consensus among the many hostiles on this board that this rule would be a good one, either generally or in Great Debates, specifically.) Please please please can we do this. I’ll clean my room and do dishes and promise not to bug my brother and sister for a whole month if we can do this. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/294 "2005-05-29T01:10:24Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Or maybe I can decry **Shodan’s** ogre-ing? Do not feed the [Cave Twit](http://www.lordotrings.com/tour/trolls.asp)! ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/295 "2005-05-29T01:16:56Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > **Shodan** , I have to say that I too took this comment as a velied accusation of trolling, about on a par with talk of goats and bridges – not blatantly violating the rule, but too damned close to the line. > > I’m no mod, certainly, but I do try not to be one of the Offenderati about stuff like this, so take my comment for whatever worth you find in it. If nothing else, I think I’ve been consistently on the side of the Mods\* in the ongoing Offenderati Offensive. However, I found **Shodan’s** post much too ironic to give it a free pass under current circumstances. Here we have a number of threads largely devoid of specific examples of precisely what it is they are railing against – some sort of unspecified oppresive lib’ral cloud hanging over the SDMB. And yet here comes **Shodan** , a well steemed (by them anyway) member of the Oppressed Minority crossing a red light in full view of The Cops. Surely I couldn’t pass that up. But what do you know, we’ve been told we’re wrong. Then again, they’ve been way too Right all along 🙂 Honestly, the only thing I could make of **Shodan’s** original DNFTTwit quip, was Do Not Feed The Trollwit. Guess there’s some comfort in knowing I’m not the only one. * * * > [@Giraffe](#): > > It was my pleasure, sir! Remember that, as a conservative, you’re entitled to Platinum Level Moderator Service. If any of these undesirables give you any more trouble, just call me on my cell phone and I’ll take care of it immediately. Methinks there might be more than humor involved in the above quip – for instance, a Freudian slip. Of course, might be the tinfoil speaking. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/296 "2005-05-29T01:20:25Z")
Oops! Forgot the asterisk. \*In the only two forums I frequent, GD and The Pit, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/297 "2005-05-29T02:04:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Is there a general consensus among all the parties following this thread that the rule of **Polerius** be implemented? Of course not. This is the pit. You should no more restrict comments on Liberal here than you should restrict Liberal from posting in a manner that brings out such posts from others. If he wants to play christ on a cross, that is his choice, and if others wish to call him on it, that is their choice. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/298 "2005-05-29T02:31:36Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > Actually, according to my suggestion, it wouldn’t be prohibited since it was made in the Pit > [@Muffin](#): > > Of course not. This is the pit. Of course, in the context of my complete post, one _could_ consider that I was seeking opinions about how that comment would be perceived in **GD** , **IMHO** , **Cafe Society** , the **Comments** Fora, etc. I am not really eager to take on one more (vague and nebulous) rule to enforce, only to have to watch every third Modding action show up in the **Pit** with whiny “I didn’t like your decision” threads for the next few years. If some of you want to actually change the rules, nitpicking at your own examples is hardly the way to curry my support in any ensuing Staff discussion on the topic. 😉 . > [@RedFury](#): > > I believe you should open a separate thread for a poll/debate restricted to said proposal. The noise to signal ratio in this one is way too high. > > For the record – I like the board just fine as is and believe additional rules would only increase the bickering over their implementation. As I have just noted, I am not eager to be encumbered by the need to enforce one more not-quite-specific rule. I am not about to open a discussion on the topic. When (early in the thread) various posters began whining that the staff was leaning over to let the “left” bully the “right,” several of us Mods noted that no one was really violating the _current rules_ (or that few people were reporting the violations that some people perceived). As a part _of this thread_, I have asked what _changes_ to the current rules would reduce this perceived problem. The stuff that has thus far been proposed has all been the sort of actions that will paint bullseyes on the staff, regardless of what judgements we render. I see no reason to open a thread to invite more work for us while encouraging more insults to be hurled at us. If any of those who think that we need new or better rules are interested, I would suggest that they open such a thread. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/299 "2005-05-29T03:21:03Z")
Totally arbitrary bannings. Keep everone on their toes. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439/300 "2005-05-29T03:27:45Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Huh, I missed that on my first reading, too. Guess I’m just not used to seeing wit in your posts. > > Daniel > [sub](C’mon, how could I pass up a straight line like that?)[/sub] **Giraffe** **Giraffe**! He hit me back first! Ban him! Ban him! Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wake-up-call-or-whiny-bitch/305439.md?page=16)