# manhattan, wtf? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2000, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843 "2000-11-05T21:22:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/21 "2000-11-06T14:14:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gaudere \* > \*\*Miss Congenital \*\* I don’t know whether this was deliberate or not, but it sure is funny. **MadHatter** , **UncleBeer** was talking about the thread that was moved, not _this_ thread. And I still think your question belongs in GD. But since you know presumably now have the answer to your GQ, “i.e. you’ll get a lot of different answers depending on who you talk to,” why don’t you loosen up you sphincter and let whatever crawled up there out? ---
**Author:** ![MadHatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MadHatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadHatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/22 "2000-11-06T14:20:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by porcupine \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Gaudere \* > > \*\*Miss Congenital \*\* > > I don’t know whether this was deliberate or not, but it sure is funny. > > **MadHatter** , > **UncleBeer** was talking about the thread that was moved, not _this_ thread. And I still think your question belongs in GD. But since you know presumably now have the answer to your GQ, “i.e. you’ll get a lot of different answers depending on who you talk to,” why don’t you loosen up you sphincter and let whatever crawled up there out? \*\* “ **UncleBeer** was talking about the thread that was moved, not _this_ thread.” I know what UncleBeer was talking about. I had a complaint about a mod. Therefore I posted it. “But since you know presumably now have the answer to your GQ…” I don’t presumably have the answer to my question. Manhattan wrongfully shipped it to GD before the correct answer could be given. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/23 "2000-11-06T14:20:52Z")
I’m afraid you haven’t “proven manhattan wrong,” yet. Nor, can you in this case, since he’s **not** wrong. Your previous comment directed at me is also incorrect. I said nothing about what belongs, or doesn’t belong in the Pit, but just to set the record straight, you originally posted this topic in GQ anyway, not the Pit. I suggest _you_ familiarize _yourself_ with the forum subject rules. You are showing yourself to be woefully ignorant of those guidelines, even if we **do not** consider your topic on Christians and suffering. At least you got one thing right, though. You **can’t** win. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/24 "2000-11-06T14:21:17Z")
> [@](#): > > So the one time it appears as though I have proven that manhattan has done something wrong So you admit that your _previous_ efforts to attack mannhattan were silly and primarily based on a personal dislike? Oh wait, this one is too. When did you prove that manhattan did anything wrong? I must have missed it. The rules of a forum and when a thread should be moved are determined by the best judgment of the moderators. I personally consider your chances of getting a GQ answer to that question to be about .0002%, if that, so manny’s decision makes sense to me. If you can make the effort to click over to GD, you will see that several Christians have answered your question, and I believe a debate has in fact sprung up. Manny made a call; deal with it. > [@](#): > > I just can’t win can I? I’m sorry manhattan didn’t pick you for Miss Congenital, Maddie, but life will go on. And I’m sorry manhattan won’t let you solicit links of naked minors. And I’m sorry manhattan has not personally asked for your opinion on which threads should stay in the forum he moderates. There, there, hun, just fluff your tulle and bear up bravely against the horrific injustice of this world. ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/25 "2000-11-06T14:28:30Z")
And once again, everybody’s wrong except MadHatter. :rolleyes: 'Hatter, it doesn’t matter what you _intended_ your post to be. If it becomes a debate, it gets moved to GD, just as an MPSIMS thread that deteriorates into a flame war gets tossed in the Pit. The problem was in the wording of your question: “How do Christians respond when you ask them ‘Why does God allow human suffering?’” You should know that the word ‘Christians’ does not identify a like-minded group of people anymore than ‘Gentiles’ describes a single like-minded group of people. (Please forgive any misspellings in advance) Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Presbeterians, Quakers, Mormons, Baptists, Lutherans: These are all Christians but don’t all necessarily share the same beliefs. Then you have people like me: non-denominational Christians who have their own beliefs that do not align with any one organized religion. So by asking for the Christians’ answer, you’re leaving that question as open to interpretation as the Bible itself. And you should know that interpretation of religios questions leads to discussion of the different opinions and debate. Of course, you probably didn’t read past the :rolleyes: and will continue whining that your thread shouldn’t have been moved. Regardless of the intent of the OP, if it becomes a debate, the thread gets moved. ---
**Author:** ![MadHatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MadHatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadHatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/26 "2000-11-06T14:32:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > \*\*I’m afraid you haven’t “proven manhattan wrong,” yet. Nor, can you in this case, since he’s **not** wrong. > > Your previous comment directed at me is also incorrect. I said nothing about what belongs, or doesn’t belong in the Pit, but just to set the record straight, you originally posted this topic in GQ anyway, not the Pit. I suggest _you_ familiarize _yourself_ with the forum subject rules. You are showing yourself to be woefully ignorant of those guidelines, even if we **do not** consider your topic on Christians and suffering. > > At least you got one thing right, though. You **can’t** win. > \*\* “I said nothing about what belongs, or doesn’t belong in the Pit.” I asked manhattan why he moved my thread to GQ. As yet, he hasn’t answered me. My post also contained some BBQ PIT aspects, hence 'hattan moved it. So here we are, with a flaming post of mine, sitting in the pit, and then you come in and state: “The moderator, who is the ultimate arbiter, has decided it’s a Great Debate topic, so it’s a Great Debate. End of story.”. End of story? WRONG!!! The main point of the BBQ PIT is to flame mod’s if you feel they have done something wrong. What exactly can’t you understand about this? For someone who is a moderator here, you certainly seem ignorant about how the board is run. Am I boring you am I? Poor diddums. Go and have a suck on that pacifier of yours. ---
**Author:** ![MadHatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MadHatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadHatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/27 "2000-11-06T14:42:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > \*\* If it becomes a debate, it gets moved to GD, just as an MPSIMS thread that deteriorates into a flame war gets tossed in the Pit. > > Of course, you probably didn’t read past the :rolleyes: and will continue whining that your thread shouldn’t have been moved. Regardless of the intent of the OP, if it becomes a debate, the thread gets moved. > \*\* I read **all** of your post. My thread ‘deteriorated’ in to a great debate? Therefore it was a justified move to GD? Well, 3 people had posted to it, and one of those posts was 5 words long. I can’t help it if people come and hijack my thread. ---
**Author:** ![MadHatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MadHatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadHatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/28 "2000-11-06T14:47:41Z")
Manhattan did screw up, you can see it in his response when he moved it to GD: **manhattan:** “He allows suffering so the folks in Great Debates will have something to debate.” Now, one of you people show me exactly where, in my OP, did I ask “why does God allows human suffering?”, which is clearly the question which manny has answered. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/29 "2000-11-06T15:08:44Z")
DNFTM Do Not Feed The Martyr ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/30 "2000-11-06T15:12:33Z")
> [@](#): > > The main point of the BBQ PIT is to flame mod’s if you feel they have done something wrong. No, it ain’t. The **main** point of the Pit is to people some place to go when their tempers get out of hand in the other forums. Asking people to place their comments on moderator actions in the forum is a relatively recent development. We realized that nearly all threads with criticisms of moderator actions eventually erupted into flame wars, so we ask that the OP be made here, rather than us having to move it later. This, of course all took place prior to you becoming a member here, so you’d have no way of knowing this. I post this here as a point of information to you (and any concerned others). Although, your ability to comprehend it is in doubt. And actually _flaming_ the moderators of this board is a really, really bad idea. We’ll put up with quite a bit of shit, but outright flames probably won’t be tolerated for long. And yes, this is quite boring as it’s been explanined to you _ad nauseum_, and you apparently refuse to understand. Ignorance is one thing, but **willful** ignorance is, well, stupid. Anyway, one more time … Quoting from the registration agreement, “_Religious proselytizing (“witnessing”) and religious discussions generally (other than strictly factual inquiries) should be confined to the Great Debates forum._” Now, manhattan obviously thought, and everyone but you seems to agree, that your question cannot be answered **factually**. Therefore, it belongs in GD. There are many possible answers to your question. All Christians are going to deal with it differently. That makes it a subject of debate. Again, I ask, what difference does it really make if you have to go to GD to read replies? It doesn’t seem worthwhile to fight this battle. Also quoting from the registration agreement, "_You agree to abide by the wishes of the board moderators in interpreting and enforcing these rules. Refusal to cooperate with board moderators or to abide by these rules is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges."_ See? I told you that you can’t win. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/31 "2000-11-06T15:13:05Z")
Fine, you give me a definition of “Christians” agrees on, and I’ll agree with you. BTW, in case you hadn’t noticed, the people of the SDMB are the type of people that _always_ expound on answers. A fair amount of digression is allowed before it is considered hijacking. Hell, even Cecil has a tendency to give more information than required to answer the question. Manhattan apparently thought that a debate was inevitable in that thread. I’d venture to guess that he has a lot of experience with seeing GQ threads become GD threads. We generally trust his judgement, because whenever we read through GQ, it seems to only contain GQ threads, with the rifraff already sent elsewhere. I suppose that your question could have a factual answer, but since there is nothing approaching consensus among Christians (however you define them), and I doubt that anyone has conducted empirical studies of it, it’s certainly a debatable topic. Oh, and the main purpose of the BBQ Pit is not to flame mods. It is for flames in general, and complaints about the administration. I’m guessing the administration would prefer that you complain respectfully, rather than flaming them. When you learn what the forums are for, I’ll listen to your opinions about borderline cases that could go either way. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/32 "2000-11-06T15:46:14Z")
Gratuitous advice **Madhatter** : you have lost perspective and are digging a deep hole for yourself. Take a breath, leave it be for a couple of days and see how you feel. If all you feel after that is a desire to take on the moderators here, you are wasting your time here and should find something else to do. If you feel that things got out of hand and you want to get back to posting because it is an interesting place to be, then fine. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/33 "2000-11-06T15:57:44Z")
Oh, and before you post (again) that manhattan moved your thread way too early for the OP to be answered as a GQ, do you honestly think that he’s just going to sit idly by and wait for several hours just to accomodate one little question in a thread that is bound to be developed into a debate (if people actually post to it)? ---
**Author:** ![MadHatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MadHatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadHatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/34 "2000-11-06T16:02:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > The main point of the BBQ PIT is to flame mod’s if you feel they have done something wrong. > > No, it ain’t. The **main** point of the Pit is to people some place to go when their tempers get out of hand in the other forums. Asking people to place their comments on moderator actions in the forum is a relatively recent development. We realized that nearly all threads with criticisms of moderator actions eventually erupted into flame wars, so we ask that the OP be made here, rather than us having to move it later. > > This, of course all took place prior to you becoming a member here, so you’d have no way of knowing this. I post this here as a point of information to you (and any concerned others). Although, your ability to comprehend it is in doubt. And actually _flaming_ the moderators of this board is a really, really bad idea. We’ll put up with quite a bit of shit, but outright flames probably won’t be tolerated for long. > > And yes, this is quite boring as it’s been explanined to you _ad nauseum_, and you apparently refuse to understand. Ignorance is one thing, but **willful** ignorance is, well, stupid. Anyway, one more time … > > Quoting from the registration agreement, “_Religious proselytizing (“witnessing”) and religious discussions generally (other than strictly factual inquiries) should be confined to the Great Debates forum._” > > Now, manhattan obviously thought, and everyone but you seems to agree, that your question cannot be answered **factually**. Therefore, it belongs in GD. There are many possible answers to your question. All Christians are going to deal with it differently. That makes it a subject of debate. > > Again, I ask, what difference does it really make if you have to go to GD to read replies? It doesn’t seem worthwhile to fight this battle. > > Also quoting from the registration agreement, "_You agree to abide by the wishes of the board moderators in interpreting and enforcing these rules. Refusal to cooperate with board moderators or to abide by these rules is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges."_ > > See? I told you that you can’t win. \*\* “The **main** point of the Pit is to people some place to go when their tempers get out of hand in the other forums” - Are you joking? From what I have seen, that is the LAST thing people go to the PIT for. Usually they are flaming something in general, not board related. And seeing as the small text under BBQ PIT indicates that this forum is for criticising mod decisions, then I will use it for that reason. “And actually _flaming_ the moderators of this board is a really, really bad idea.” - So the BBQ PIT info suggests that it’s quite ok, in fact, there is an entire forum for it, but YOU think it’s bad idea? You SERIOUSLY need to take a step back and have a look at this dribble you are spitting. “We’ll put up with quite a bit of shit, but outright flames probably won’t be tolerated for long.” - If by ‘won’t be tolerated’ you mean ‘you’ll have to re-register’, then please cue the laughing track for me. “Therefore, it belongs in GD. There are many possible answers to your question.” - Well, there’s also many possible answers to ‘Who was the first man to walk on the moon?’, but only one of them is going to be right. “Again, I ask, what difference does it really make if you have to go to GD to read replies?” - Because I don’t want to know the answer to the question “Why does God allow suffering?”. I never asked it, therefore the answers to that question couldn’t interest me in the least. “you apparently refuse to understand” - How exactly does one ‘refuse to understand?’. That’s an oxymoron if I have ever heard one. Maybe refuse to accept, or incapable of understanding, but refuse to understand? Spare me your jibberish. Either way, I understand exactly what is going on. UncleBeer, you keep telling me how bored you are with this, but yet, you keep coming back for more? ---
**Author:** ![MadHatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MadHatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadHatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/35 "2000-11-06T16:06:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by picmr \* > \*\*Gratuitous advice **Madhatter** : you have lost perspective and are digging a deep hole for yourself. Take a breath, leave it be for a couple of days and see how you feel. If all you feel after that is a desire to take on the moderators here, you are wasting your time here and should find something else to do. If you feel that things got out of hand and you want to get back to posting because it is an interesting place to be, then fine. \*\* I am digging a hole for myself? Explain how. If I am posting flames towards a moderator, and his fellow moderators feel there is a need to come in and defend him because of it, then I hardly view it as ‘wasting my time’. ---
**Author:** ![MadHatter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MadHatter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadHatter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/36 "2000-11-06T16:11:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Connor \* > \*\*Oh, and before you post (again) that manhattan moved your thread way too early for the OP to be answered as a GQ, do you honestly think that he’s just going to sit idly by and wait for several hours just to accomodate one little question in a thread that is bound to be developed into a debate (if people actually post to it)? \*\* In a word? Yes. In 3? It’s his job. I’m tired. I am going to bed. My fingers are sore from typing. My stomach hurts from laughing at some of the trash I’ve been reading. I am off. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/37 "2000-11-06T16:15:49Z")
> [@](#): > > I am off. A more apt self-characterization may never have been uttered on the board. ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/38 "2000-11-06T16:22:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MadHatter \* > \*\*My thread ‘deteriorated’ in to a great debate? Therefore it was a justified move to GD? Well, 3 people had posted to it, and one of those posts was 5 words long. > > I can’t help it if people come and hijack my thread. \*\* MadHatter, you sure have a gift of reading what isn’t there. Let’s see, I said, “ **IF it BECOMES a debate, it gets moved to GD, just as an _MPSIMS thread_ that deteriorates into a flame war gets moved into the Pit.** ” As you can see, I never said your thread changed into anything else. Your question was poorly worded and widely open to interpretation. And (once again, for those who are slow on the take up) interpretation begets opinion, opinion begets debate, debate in GQ begets moving to GD. And no you can’t help it if someone hijacks your thread. In the same way a flame war hijack in MPSIMS is gets moved to the Pit. Apparently, you are the only one who doesn’t see this. ---
**Author:** ![douglips](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@douglips](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/douglips)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/39 "2000-11-06T16:33:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MadHatter \* > \*\*No, I am not in the wrong. > > … > Think of it this way: > > In soccer, does a goal count as one point? = **GQ** > In soccer, should a goal count as one point? = **GD** > > If I punched a cop, would it be illegal? = **GQ** > If I punched a cop, should it be illegal? = **GD** > > How would the Vatican respond if I said that Satan was actually God? = **GQ** > How should the Vatican respond if I said that Satan was actually God? = **GD** > \*\* Let me try! Are Jews evil, and should they be destroyed? = **GD** If I were to ask if Jews were evil and should be destroyed, _how would you reply?_ = **GQ** I’m really starting to get the hang of it! WASP males: Whiny bastards or evil opressors? = **GD**. If I were to ask you if WASP males were whiny bastards or evil opressors, _how would you respond?_ = **GQ**. Controversial topic X = **GD**. If I were to ask you about Controversial topic X, _how would you respond_? = **GQ** Tell me what you are doing while you think about Controversial topic X = **MPSIMS**. This is great! I’m off to **Comments about Cecil’s Columns** to ask “If Cecil had written about the logical inconsistencies of Christianity, what would you say?” Do you get my point? Just because the almighty **MadHatter** says something should not be debated **does not mean people will not debate it.** And it’s all **manhattan** ’s fault that people will take your topic and run with it. If he was a proper moderator, he would have waited for a controversial post in your thread and pounced on it. It’s not like he has a paying job or something else he might want to do besides read your thread all day. Whine whine whine moan moan moan blah blah blah. Get off the cross, we need the wood. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843/40 "2000-11-06T16:44:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you joking? Yep. I’m joking. Just play along. The gag will become apparent soon. Maybe not to you though, since you are incredibly obstinate. > [@](#): > > So the BBQ PIT info suggests that it’s(flaming the mods) quite ok… No, yet again you are incorrect. Is this a habit? Or an obsession? The guidelines say, “This is the place for all complaints and other discussion regarding administration of the SDMB.”\*" How you equate “complaints and discussions” to “flaming the administration” is puzzling. Perhaps you don’t understand what “flaming” means. That wouldn’t surprise me given you lack of comprehension about the rest of the world. > [@](#): > > If by ‘won’t be tolerated’ you mean ‘you’ll have to re-register’, then please cue the laughing track for me. Well, that’s your choice, but we’ll hunt you down and kill your new names, too. Just like we did to your childish brother. It really ain’t that hard. Laughing track queued. Remember, this is all a fucking joke. > [@](#): > > Well, there’s also many possible answers to ‘Who was the first man to walk on the moon?’, but only one of them is going to be right. Right! Exactly! You finally got something right. Except … you didn’t follow your analysis to a logical conclusion. There is only **one right answer** to the man on the moon question. This is what makes it a **factual** question, and as such, suitable for the GQ forum. If there are many possible answers, all or some of, which, can be acceptable, your topic probably belongs in GD. The final destination of your topic is the moderator’s decision. You agreed to abide with that decision when you registered. > [@](#): > > How exactly does one ‘refuse to understand?’. That’s an oxymoron if I have ever heard one. “Refusal to understand” is synonymous with “willful ignorance.” Willful means, intentional, premeditated, contemplated, stubborn, wayward, intractable, obstinate. Ignorance means, well, I’ll assume you know what that means, seeing that you yourself are an excellent example of ignorance in action. It’s really simple; you are choosing to misunderstand the moderator’s actions, you are choosing to misunderstand all explanations of the moderator’s actions, you are choosing to misunderstand the moderator’s interpretations of your OP, you are choosing to misunderstand the forum guidelines. > [@](#): > > UncleBeer, you keep telling me how bored you are with this, but yet, you keep coming back for more? Yeah, I know. Kinda perverse, ain’t it? Maybe I enjoy beating my head against the wall. And, maybe, just maybe, I don’t think you are a _total_ waste of time. Maybe though a nauseating number of repetitions, you’ll finally absorb a morsel of understanding of how this message board works. Ya know, kinda like Dian Fossey was able to teach her gorillas a bit of human communication? Sheer repetition. The jury’s still out though and I’m beginning to have my doubts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-wtf/39843.md?page=3)