# Manny Ramirez to Get 50-Game Suspension for Drugs, L.A. Times Says **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 7, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661 "2009-05-07T15:52:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/41 "2009-05-07T22:19:18Z")
Wonder if he gets full pay while sitting out 50 games? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/42 "2009-05-07T22:20:35Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Wonder if he gets full pay while sitting out 50 games? Nope, suspended without pay. It amounts to something over $7 million. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/43 "2009-05-07T22:20:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Wonder if he gets full pay while sitting out 50 games? Nope, he gets jack squat. **The suspension began Thursday and barring any postponements Ramirez will be able to return to the Dodgers – who now have the best record in baseball – for the July 3 game at San Diego. Ramirez will lose more than $7 million of his $25 million salary.** > **[Sources: Ramirez used fertility drug](https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=4148907)** > > Major League Baseball announced Thursday that Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez has been suspended for 50 games for violating its drug policy. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/44 "2009-05-07T22:25:33Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I’m just glad he was completely clean as a beloved member of the storied Red Sox and that all of his accomplishments in Beantown are completely free of any sort of scandalous taint. > > And just look what LA did to him. Took a wholesome, strapping young lad and turned him into a … a… DRUG USER! > > This post brought to you by Boston Red Sox Fandom Two-Facededness[sup]TM[/sup] Don’t worry, I’m sure Red Sox minority owner George Mitchell will conduct a report that totally exonerates him. Well, at least Papi was clean. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/45 "2009-05-07T22:30:36Z")
> [@gangster octopus](#): > > _cough_ rick ankiel _cough_ I said ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/46 "2009-05-07T22:50:48Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > I said ONCE AND FOR ALL!!! Relax, maybe go sit next to a windmill to cool down. ---
**Author:** ![dgrdfd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@dgrdfd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgrdfd)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/47 "2009-05-07T23:17:04Z")
As a Giants fan I must say this made me pretty happy. Only six game back now. Hopefully this causes the Dodgers to fall apart. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/48 "2009-05-07T23:20:46Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Relax, maybe go sit next to a windmill to cool down. I’m not sure, but I think **Morbo** is kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/49 "2009-05-07T23:25:07Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I’m not sure, but I think **Morbo** is kidding. Yes, kidding. I was going for the tone at the end of [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVXxznHgH8c&feature=related) clip. Certainly the Cards have had their share of cheaters. I’m not drinking the McGwire Kool-Aid. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/50 "2009-05-07T23:31:24Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Yes, kidding. I was going for the tone at the end of [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVXxznHgH8c&feature=related) clip. Certainly the Cards have had their share of cheaters. I’m not drinking the McGwire Kool-Aid. Yeah, I’m a Cards die-hard, but they’ve had their share of PED problems. Which is why I know Pujols is clean. I mean, it can’t happen _again_ can it? Law of averages and all that. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/51 "2009-05-07T23:45:33Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Yes, kidding. I was going for the tone at the end of [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVXxznHgH8c&feature=related) clip. Certainly the Cards have had their share of cheaters. I’m not drinking the McGwire Kool-Aid. ANd I was replying with this [clip](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQg8JKo_3ZQ). ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/52 "2009-05-07T23:59:06Z")
[This](http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4150133) article explains why a pro-athlete might take HCG and, unless he has a pituitary gland disorder, it looks like he’s just another steroid cheat. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/53 "2009-05-08T00:01:09Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > ANd I was replying with this [clip](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQg8JKo_3ZQ). Oh, I got it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/54 "2009-05-08T00:19:58Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Oh, I got it. 🙂 I didn’t. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/55 "2009-05-08T06:39:37Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Manny’s going through… changes in his personal life. It’s just Manny being Mandy. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/56 "2009-05-08T11:35:22Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The default position has to be that any successful power hitter is using. Why would you restrict your assumptions to power hitters? Plenty of scrubs and pitchers were named in the Mitchell report. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/57 "2009-05-08T11:50:43Z")
As a Yankee fan struggling to find any good in this baseball this season, I hereby feel better knowing the 2004 championship series wasn’t really a “loss” after all, since the Red Sox were full of juicers\*. Now, tonight we at least get “Bitch Tits” A-Roid back. Carry on. \*Noted for sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/58 "2009-05-08T17:16:16Z")
Reports are coming out now that Ramirez was tested during spring training and showed very high levels of testosterone, which was not produced by his own body. MLB investigated and found paperwork tying him to the hCG use. Even as a Yankee fan, I do think this sucks- I like watching the guy, although I definitely like him more after the Sox stupidly traded him. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/59 "2009-05-08T17:23:45Z")
I made this argument [before](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10800187#post10800187), and I’ll make it again: we’re going to have to reevaluate our position on PED-use as a hanging offense. We can’t make the game clean, and even if we could we can’t change the fact that generations of baseball players have been using one thing or another regularly. The record books have long since been “perverted”; this is just something that baseball is. So test for it and punish it in order to keep the distortion from being too severe, but ultimately PED-use is going to have to be seen as little worse than stealing signs or throwing spitters. I’m beginning to think it’s inevitable, too. Sooner or later too many fans will have one of the players they love unconditionally come up positive, and there will be a tipping point of public opinion. It wasn’t so much an issue with A-Rod, but there are a lot of die-hards out there who \*want \*to like Manny, which can only happen now if juicing is a venial sin. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661/60 "2009-05-08T18:22:06Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > I made this argument [before](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10800187#post10800187), and I’ll make it again: we’re going to have to reevaluate our position on PED-use as a hanging offense. We can’t make the game clean, and even if we could we can’t change the fact that generations of baseball players have been using one thing or another regularly. The record books have long since been “perverted”; this is just something that baseball is. So test for it and punish it in order to keep the distortion from being too severe, but ultimately PED-use is going to have to be seen as little worse than stealing signs or throwing spitters. I’m reluctantly coming to the same conclusion. Mostly it just makes me sick of baseball, though. I see Sports Illustrated has moved on to a story called “Forget About Manny” - discussing other “good” stories and players. How does SI know Zack Greinke and those other players are clean? Beats me. Naivete springs eternal as sports commentators refuse to learn their lesson. I guess it keeps them busy: they can resume building players, making assumptions about them, and then acting shocked when they fail. I will presume Vin Scully and Cito Gaston are clean, though. I am not accusing Greinke or anyone named in the story of cheating, just saying it’s impossible to know and stupid to assume. And in that light, this is a really dumb thing to write: > [@](#): > > 1. Josh Hamilton, Rangers slugger. If he can only get healthy, we can all enjoy the greatest talent in the game. How he kept all his talent after four years away being a drug addict nobody will probably ever know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manny-ramirez-to-get-50-game-suspension-for-drugs-l-a-times-says/495661.md?page=4)