# "Maori Indian" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2003, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569 "2003-08-16T11:36:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/21 "2003-08-17T04:08:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ice Wolf \* > **It’s the _second_ longest placename, for a start (the longest is in Wales)** Well then, it’s still Welsh: The Mandans (with whom Lewis & Clark spent the winter), were thought to be a lost tribe of Welshmen. So, having crossed the Pacific on Kon Tiki, they chose to settle New Zealand since, like their homeland of Wales, if you ironed the place out flat it would actually be bigger than continental Europe/Australia, and so they gave everyplace a long-ass name just like back home. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/22 "2003-08-17T04:44:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Primaflora \* > \*\*NZ – 3 islands. North, South and Stewart. > > Australia – West Island. Giant continent beside NZ. > > Look at an atlas for Jebus’s sake 😉 \*\* Oceania is this region of the pacific and includes NZ and Australia, long with many smaller countries. Australasia is also a fairly well accepted term used to describe Australia and NZ. So while you may be technicaly right, there was no need to be quite so snippy. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/23 "2003-08-17T06:00:22Z")
Yeah Oceania and Australiaia aren’t continents so much as regions though. There was a thread floating around asking which continent NZ was a part of. And it’s about a 3.5 hour flight to NZ from Aus. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/24 "2003-08-17T08:06:37Z")
Actually, I think the Maori _iwi_ or tribes would have been known by their individual names, such as Ngai Tahu and Nga Puhi, at the time of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840, **calm kiwi** , rather than a general all-encompassing term such as _tangata whenua_ (they certainly were approached to sign on a tribe-by-tribe basis) – but t’is all the same difference, in the end. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/25 "2003-08-17T09:21:59Z")
Though in the treaty they are refered to as the Tangata Whenua. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/26 "2003-08-17T09:50:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by calm kiwi \* > \*\*Though in the treaty they are refered to as the Tangata Whenua. \*\* Actually, it looks like the Confederation of Tribes was referred to as “Tangata Maori”, **calm kiwi** , not _tangata whenua_. Appears to be a legal construct for the Treaty. [Maori version of Treaty of Waitangi.](http://www.govt.nz/en/aboutnz/?id=1d0d0d8aaba715547d43e22467ed686c) ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/27 "2003-08-17T10:21:45Z")
Point taken Ice. I could have sworn it did though 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/28 "2003-08-17T10:32:38Z")
May I take this opportunity to say: YAY, GO THE **ALL BLACKS!** ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/29 "2003-08-17T12:25:53Z")
Well, part at least of New Zealand used to be part of Australia. All we need do is simply reference back to Gondwanaland. What’s a hundred million years or two among friends? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/30 "2003-08-17T13:08:35Z")
True **Polycarp** but we are not always friends. YAY the ALL BLACKS 😉 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/31 "2003-08-17T13:25:34Z")
I like this thread, I learned something. But, please explain the “Yay the ALL BLACKS” posts. I’m lost 😕 and very curious. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/32 "2003-08-17T13:27:04Z")
“It takes two (Maori Indians) to _tangata_”?? 😃 “_Whenua_, you see, At Waitangi agree, That’s a Maori!” 😃 ::: ducks and runs ::: ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/33 "2003-08-17T13:34:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by calm kiwi \* > \*\*True **Polycarp** but we are not always friends. YAY the ALL BLACKS 😉 \*\* Notlisteningnotlisteningnotlistening… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/34 "2003-08-17T13:37:05Z")
**Polycarp** , are you married? I love puns!😛 ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/35 "2003-08-17T13:41:10Z")
**NCB** The All Blacks are our gods…I mean our national rugby team (black is NZ’s colour, nearly all our national sporting teams wear black uniforms). Saturday night was a big game between the All Blacks, it was the final of the tri-nations (Sth Africa, Aus and NZ) and the final of the Bledisloe cup. The Aussies have won the Bledisloe cup the last 6 years and now it is ours again. YAY the All Blacks. Hehehe **Polycarp** that did make me giggle. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/36 "2003-08-17T13:44:07Z")
Ooops …between the Wallabies and the All Blacks, that should have been. Sorry **TheLoadedDog** 😃 but it is OUR turn to gloat. We haven’t had many oppotunities until very lately! ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/37 "2003-08-17T20:35:09Z")
Just a thought, **calm kiwi** – it is true that Aussies and Kiwis aren’t always friends. But sometimes, we are damn good mates. That aside – is anyone here going to tell the Land Rover crowd that their ad people are a bunch of daft, brainless pillocks, or what? ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/38 "2003-08-17T21:02:57Z")
Jonah Lomu ::swoon smiley:: (though not a Maori. Tongan?) ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/39 "2003-08-17T21:11:35Z")
::: envisions a bunch of Kiwis singing “Watch 'em Wallabies bleed, mate, watch 'em Wallabies bleed!” ::: 😉 And yes, I know that it’s an Aussie song – that’s the point! ---
**Author:** ![martin\_ibn\_martin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@martin\_ibn\_martin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/martin_ibn_martin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569/40 "2003-08-17T21:28:09Z")
There are the [Maori Rastas](http://www.dhushara.com/book/tane/dread/dread.htm) The things you come across doing random, bored searches around the web. Martin [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maori-indian/195569.md?page=3)