# March 10: MI, WA, MO, MS, ID, ND **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 10, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188 "2020-03-10T04:51:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/61 "2020-03-11T01:11:00Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Michigan called for Bernie, various networks and the AP Biden, not Bernie Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/62 "2020-03-11T01:11:42Z")
[Michigan called for Biden by AP](https://apnews.com/5b4fa2256d232ca24b2f93fff3131e99). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/63 "2020-03-11T01:13:21Z")
Iinteresting how the demographics of Sanders ‘16-Biden ‘20 voters in Michigan — rural and other working-class whites, especially men — bodes well for November, but also suggests misogyny played an important role in Hillary’s loss in the purple states that mattered. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/64 "2020-03-11T01:17:40Z")
Something sure did, but is that it? Dunno. Said it before, many times, that I just plain don’t like her. Voted for her, because, well… This may be projection, but seems to me that got some substance today: Biden would have beat Trump. Well, shit… ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/65 "2020-03-11T01:20:57Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Other cites you requested: > > [Fracking in Mississippi](https://ballotpedia.org/Fracking_in_Mississippi) > > [Fracking in Michigan](https://ballotpedia.org/Fracking_in_Michigan) According to the anti-fracking site linked below (PDF), since 2005 about 138,000 wells have used fracking. Of those, MS boasted 103, MI 49, and MO none. [https://environmentamerica.org/sites/environment/files/reports/Fracking%2520by%2520the%2520Numbers%2520vUS.pdf](https://environmentamerica.org/sites/environment/files/reports/Fracking%2520by%2520the%2520Numbers%2520vUS.pdf) So sure, MI and MS are “active” and Texas is “active”. This is like how like I’m “sexually active” and so is Dani Daniels. About 8,200 wells were fracked in ND in that time period, so you got one acorn there. A small acorn. You looked at a high level, qualitative representation of data, saw that three states were “active”, misidentified a fourth state, and claimed that all four states hotbeds of fracking. Good work. Really first rate posting. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/66 "2020-03-11T01:31:14Z")
With these results, is there any realistic way that Bernie can still get the nominiation? I see that 538 has him at 0.1%? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/67 "2020-03-11T01:44:05Z")
Assuming Biden doesn’t die or become incapacitated, there’s no realistic way. And even then, I think the party would manage to nominate someone else (I’d sure hope so anyway). ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/68 "2020-03-11T01:55:31Z")
Unsubstantiated Twitter rumors say Bernie is flying to Vermont. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/69 "2020-03-11T02:00:03Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Assuming Biden doesn’t die or become incapacitated, there’s no realistic way. And even then, I think the party would manage to nominate someone else (I’d sure hope so anyway). Given the primary voters clearly stated preference, I would be sorely disappointed with Bernie if he capitalized on a Biden disqualification to try and hijack the nomination. The people lead, the leaders follow. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/70 "2020-03-11T02:04:08Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Unsubstantiated Twitter rumors say Bernie is flying to Vermont. His and Biden’s election night rallies have been cancelled, presumably due to the coronavirus. Even if he is flying back to VT, it could be just for a day of R&R and not necessarily because he is quitting. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/71 "2020-03-11T02:04:35Z")
> [@Defensive\_Indifference](#): > > According to the anti-fracking site linked below (PDF), since 2005 about 138,000 wells have used fracking. Of those, MS boasted 103, MI 49, and MO none. > > [https://environmentamerica.org/sites/environment/files/reports/Fracking%2520by%2520the%2520Numbers%2520vUS.pdf](https://environmentamerica.org/sites/environment/files/reports/Fracking%2520by%2520the%2520Numbers%2520vUS.pdf) > > So sure, MI and MS are “active” and Texas is “active”. > This is like how like I’m “sexually active” and so is Dani Daniels. > > About 8,200 wells were fracked in ND in that time period, so you got one acorn there. A small acorn. > > You looked at a high level, qualitative representation of data, saw that three states were “active”, misidentified a fourth state, and claimed that all four states hotbeds of fracking. > > Good work. Really first rate posting. Corrected link: [https://environmentamerica.org/sites/environment/files/reports/Fracking%20by%20the%20Numbers%20vUS.pdf](https://environmentamerica.org/sites/environment/files/reports/Fracking%20by%20the%20Numbers%20vUS.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/72 "2020-03-11T02:21:49Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > As far as the establishment’s thumb on the scales, my sole point of evidence is that it seemed incredible for Klobuchar and Buttegieg, and to a lesser extent the Billionaire Boys, to back out between South Carolina and Super Tuesday. If one or two had come following SC, and then the others AFTER Super Tuesday, I wouldn’t call behind-the-scenes shenanigans. It may be all “rules of the game,” as you say, but it’s bad optics. I mean, it’s not like anybody thinks DNC actually wants Sanders to win, is it? And they have a sterling example in Trump of what happens to a party when the weirdo outsider gets the nod, so I don’t blame them for doing everything they can do prevent it from happening to them. But as a voter, I’d rather they didn’t. Sorry, **Dr D** , I just see normal politicking. Biden wins a blow-out on the Saturday night. Pete and Klobuchar see it’s game over. What do they do next? They could just fold their tents and go home, not endorsing anyone. But they’re both politicians (and I mean that in a complimentary way). They’ve entered the race to make a difference, and they’ve just spent over a year of their lives to get their message out there. Now, they have to make a decision: should they support anyone? Well, lots of things go into that calculation. Which of the two remaining ones have policies closest to mine? Which do I trust more? Who has the best chance of beating Trump? Who will do the better job as Prez, if elected? And they’ve got only 48 hours to do it, if they want to have any further impact on the race, because after Super Tuesday, Pete goes back to being “Pete Who?”, and Klobuchar goes back to being one Senator out of 100. So if they’re going to drop and endorse, the time line of the primaries says to do it right away. After all, when we used to have real-live conventions in Canada and the bottom ballot got eliminated, there was always pressure to endorse someone still in the race. They had to decide before the next round of balloting. That wasn’t unseemly. That’s what the logic of the voting timeline dictated. To put it another way: if Pete and Amy are both convinced that if they’re out, Joe is the best candidate and Bernie would be crushed by Trump, don’t they owe it to themselves and their supporters to make their thoughts known? If they truly believe Bernie would be a disaster for the Dems and the country, wouldn’t it be “unseemly” not to use their last bit of capital to back Joe? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/73 "2020-03-11T02:24:39Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > His and Biden’s election night rallies have been cancelled, presumably due to the coronavirus. Even if he is flying back to VT, it could be just for a day of R&R and not necessarily because he is quitting. That is very true, it’s also true that Bernie thrives on the big rally. The rally very may well have been canceled over corona paranoia, it may also be because even Bernie realizes it’s over ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/74 "2020-03-11T02:31:56Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > That is very true, it’s also true that Bernie thrives on the big rally. The rally very may well have been canceled over corona paranoia, it may also be because even Bernie realizes it’s over I just heard on Fox News (I know, I know) that Bernie has cancelled all of his appearances this week due to the coronavirus. ETA: Also Biden cancelled his rally as well. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/75 "2020-03-11T02:33:57Z")
Yang just endorsed Biden. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/76 "2020-03-11T02:37:21Z")
Bernie not speaking tonight says a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/77 "2020-03-11T02:39:22Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Unsubstantiated Twitter rumors say Bernie is flying to Vermont. Post 56. 🙂 Campaign folks found it odd. From a senior Sanders aid, just reported that Sanders will not be speaking tonight and that they, the campaign, understand tonight was a big loss for Sanders. ETA: And then you ninja’d me about Sanders not speaking tonight, **dalej42**! \ 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/78 "2020-03-11T02:41:27Z")
This’ll be an interesting campaign if the coronavirus continues to spread throughout the spring, summer and fall. Trump especially enjoys the big rallies, and has built his maga brand around them. Will be interesting to see if his fear of germs trumps his love of the adoring crowds. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/79 "2020-03-11T02:57:48Z")
I’m watching Biden speak right now from Philly. Heartfelt and well spoken with passion and no flubs (yet). I’m sure those who want to spin the “Biden has dementia” angle will ignore it. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188/80 "2020-03-11T02:58:27Z")
Biden’s speaking to his campaign workers right now. He isn’t yelling and isn’t rambling (much.) I suppose someone will complain he’s disengaged and not really with it. ETA: \*\* Kolak’s\*\* observation [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-10-mi-wa-mo-ms-id-nd/849188.md?page=5)