# "March Against Sharia" **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 10, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623 "2017-06-10T17:21:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/61 "2017-06-12T20:05:19Z")
I should clarify that I’m referring to devout Muslims. That group is most likely to observe Sharia law. Moderates are still observant but don’t follow the older more extreme practices. That’s true in every religion. Thankfully most religions have become more moderate over time. The Spanish Inquisition is something Christians never want to repeat. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/62 "2017-06-12T20:07:19Z")
Yeah, that clarifies things a lot. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/63 "2017-06-12T20:10:48Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The people observing genital mutilation are Muslims. It’s part of the attitude that women are the property of men and subservient. Women can’t be trusted to share company with men they aren’t related too. They have to cover themselves. They can’t travel alone outside the home. Even pleasure from sex is forbidden. > > These attitudes are absolutely abhorrent to Western culture. Trapping a women into this kind of oppressive culture inside the US or other Western country is sickening. > > It could be happening in your city and you’d never know it. Unless the women grew desperate enough to call the police. This has nothing to do with Sharia or even Islam. It’s an unfortunately common ritual from some regions of Africa and Asia which is practised by Muslims, Christians, and others, including in [predominately Christian countries such as Ethiopia and Liberia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#/media/File:FGM_prevalence_UNICEF_2016.svg). The fact that practitioners may fall back on an appeal to religious authority to justify it does not make it a valid claim. Muslims may be more likely to continue it as immigrants because they are more likely to be ghettoized due to prejudice, and live in a milieu insulated from outside influences with consequent stronger pressures to retain their original customs. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/64 "2017-06-12T20:13:57Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The people observing genital mutilation are Muslims. It’s part of the attitude that women are the property of men and subservient. Women can’t be trusted to share company with men they aren’t related too. They have to cover themselves. They can’t travel alone outside the home. Even pleasure from sex is forbidden. > > These attitudes are absolutely abhorrent to Western culture. Trapping a women into this kind of oppressive culture inside the US or other Western country is sickening. > > It could be happening in your city and you’d never know it. Unless the women grew desperate enough to call the police. And once again… What does this have to do with Sharia Law? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/65 "2017-06-12T21:29:08Z")
I’m not an expert on religion. I do have direct experience in how easy it is to fall into extreme religious attitudes. I was in a full gospel church for two years. There were a few things discouraged like drinking and smoking. We hired a new preacher and before long the sermons denounced watching TV, listening to rock, and other modern entertainment. Then came the dress codes for men and women. He even began questioning whether women should work outside the home. That’s when my wife and I left. I fully understand how easily a radical iman can influence the people that listen to him. I’ve read that Muslims abandoned Sharia law centuries ago. It was brought back as part of the shift to conservative practices. There’s also the issue of religious police. Which goes hand in hand with the Sharia Courts. I’d certainly hope people here don’t deny their existence? They are in countries throughout the Middle East. > **[Islamic religious police](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_religious_police)** > > Islamic religious police (also sometimes known as morality police or sharia police) are official Islamic vice squad police agencies, often in Islamic countries, which enforce religious observance and public morality on behalf of national or regional authorities based on its interpretation of sharia. Modern Islamic religious police forces were first established in the late-1970s amidst the Iranian Revolution and the Islamic revival the revolution brought; prior, the administration of public The p... ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/66 "2017-06-12T21:38:03Z")
I’m stunned beyond belief that of all places, The Dope is endorsing a practice that subjugates women and in some cases persecutes them. I support religious tolerance. But not to this extreme. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/67 "2017-06-12T21:43:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m not an expert on religion. I do have direct experience in how easy it is to fall into extreme religious attitudes. > > I was in a full gospel church for two years. There were a few things discouraged like drinking and smoking. We hired a new preacher and before long the sermons denounced watching TV, listening to rock, and other modern entertainment. Then came the dress codes for men and women. He even began questioning whether women should work outside the home. That’s when my wife and I left. > > I fully understand how easily a radical iman can influence the people that listen to him. > > I’ve read that Muslims abandoned Sharia law centuries ago. It was brought back as part of the shift to conservative practices. > > There’s also the issue of religious police. Which goes hand in hand with the Sharia Courts. I’d certainly hope people here don’t deny their existence? They are in countries throughout the Middle East. > > [Islamic religious police - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_religious_police) Name one place in the States that has religious police of _any_ faith. What goes on in other countries is a matter of diplomacy and to some extent, none of our business. What you should be calling for is for the US to sever ties to Saudi Arabia (among others) over the matter and not pretending it’s happening here. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/68 "2017-06-12T22:15:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m not an expert on religion. Yes that is obvious… the word expert is not the one that comes to mind. > [@](#): > > I’ve read that Muslims abandoned Sharia law centuries ago. It was brought back as part of the shift to conservative practices. It is not worth correcting this confused statement. > [@](#): > > There’s also the issue of religious police. Which goes hand in hand with the Sharia Courts. I’d certainly hope people here don’t deny their existence? They are in countries throughout the Middle East. > > ```auto > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_religious_police > > ``` No they are not in “countries through the Middle East” your own wikipedia cite shows that is a false assertion. The Religious police are a Saudi idea and institution. Even the article (the added comment in the brackets), which is dubious cites only > [@](#): > > Islamic religious police forces outside of Saudi Arabia include: > > Polisi Syariat Islam of Indonesia’s territory of Nanggroe Aceh Darussalam [ACEH > autonomous province in the Indonesia] > Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (Gaza Strip) > Kano State Hisbah Corps in Nigeria’s Kano state [the Kano province, autonomous regin in the Nigeria, they do not even have authority “T[he Nigeria Police Force (NPF), to whom the Hisbah must report crimes, frequently refuse to cooperate in enforcement of religious law.[4] On multiple occasions, NPF officers have arrested Hisbah members for trespassing when the latter have attempted to enter private property to enforce Sharia."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kano_State_Hisbah_Corps)”] > From 1990–1999 there reportedly was a morality police in Sudan, or at least the capital Khartoum. They “insured that women were veiled, especially in government offices and universities”.[past tense and not current] > Guidance Patrols of Law Enforcement Force of Islamic Republic of Iran Of these in the Middle East there is two. The Gaza Strip and the Iran. Now do you want to have some guess as to what percentage of the countries or even the population of the Islamic countries… ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/69 "2017-06-12T22:17:01Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m stunned beyond belief that of all places, The Dope is endorsing a practice that subjugates women and in some cases persecutes them. > > I support religious tolerance. But not to this extreme. What practice? You clearly have no actual knowledge… So no you do not support “religious tolerance” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/70 "2017-06-12T22:27:29Z")
Yet in America, we had a Vice President cancel a meeting today because there would be another woman present at the meeting and his wife couldn’t be there as a chaperone. And you’re complaining about Muslim cultural attitudes toward women. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/71 "2017-06-12T22:32:42Z")
He is complaining about his own ignorant stereotype ideas based on superficial half-information and the half understood factoids. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/72 "2017-06-12T22:39:19Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yet in America, we had a Vice President cancel a meeting today because there would be another woman present at the meeting and his wife couldn’t be there as a chaperone. > > And you’re complaining about Muslim cultural attitudes toward women. I think he knows he can’t control himself. Remember he has the same rule regarding alcohol. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/73 "2017-06-12T22:53:44Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yet in America, we had a Vice President cancel a meeting today because there would be another woman present at the meeting and his wife couldn’t be there as a chaperone. > > And you’re complaining about Muslim cultural attitudes toward women. Seriously? What meeting was this? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/74 "2017-06-12T23:26:43Z")
I recommend reading a book cowritten by two CNN Intelligence Analysts, Paul Cruickshank, and Tim Lister, Agent Storm. Morten Storm and the other two men have been interviewed several times. I’ve read the book three times. It’s revealing how entrenched the radicals are in Britain. It’ll be just as bad in the US in a few years. [https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0802123147/ref=mp\_s\_a\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497309270&sr=8-1&pi=AC\_SX236\_SY340\_QL65&keywords=agent+storm&dpPl=1&dpID=51UTInUMlLL&ref=plSrch#productDescription\_secondary\_view\_div\_1497309473166](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0802123147/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497309270&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=agent+storm&dpPl=1&dpID=51UTInUMlLL&ref=plSrch#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1497309473166) > [@](#): > > Storm sought purpose in a community of believers. He attended a militant madrasah in Yemen, named his son Osama, and became close friends with Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born terrorist cleric. But after a decade of jihadi life, he not only repudiated extremism but, in a quest for atonement, became a double agent for the CIA and British and Danish intelligence. > > Agent Storm takes readers inside the jihadist world like never before, showing the daily life of zealous men set on mass murder, from dodging drones with al Qaeda leaders in the Arabian desert to training in extremist gyms in Britain and performing supply drops in Kenya. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/75 "2017-06-12T23:48:43Z")
Oh yes and you will have the Shariah no go zones just like in the France! and Birmingham. I notice you do not acknowlege you4 complete and total false assertion above… the response is so pitiful as to be embarassing. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/76 "2017-06-12T23:53:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I recommend reading a book cowritten by two CNN Intelligence Analysts, Paul Cruickshank, and Tim Lister, Agent Storm. Morten Storm and the other two men have been interviewed several times. I’ve read the book three times. > > It’s revealing how entrenched the radicals are in Britain. It’ll be just as bad in the US in a few years. > > [Agent Storm: My Life Inside al Qaeda and the CIA: Storm, Morten, Cruickshank, Paul, Lister, Tim: 9780802123145: Amazon.com: Books](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0802123147/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497309270&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=agent+storm&dpPl=1&dpID=51UTInUMlLL&ref=plSrch#productDescription_secondary_view_div_1497309473166) It’s unfortunate that some people will understand examples of radical Islam coming from Britain or some other western country. Sharia law is a medieval cancer. It must be opposed by all right thinking people without having to quote examples of radical Islam just from the west. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/77 "2017-06-13T00:07:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m not an expert on religion. That’s extremely obvious. Look, Sharia law coming to the U.S. is about as likely as an Inquisition court being set up by the Vatican here. It ain’t gonna happen. If individual people want to go by it? Well, there’s really nothing you can do, anymore than you can stop some quiverful family from having like, 20 kids and making all the women stay home barefoot and pregnant. I don’t think anyone here likes religious radicals, or wants to see a theocracy. But that isn’t going to happen here. If you’re really, truely worried about the way sharia law is put into practice, why not try and worry how women are treated in countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia, and contribute to charities that do something about that? (BTW, FGM isn’t really practiced in either of those countries. Do some research, dude. Your ignorance is honestly painful.) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/78 "2017-06-13T00:50:42Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > It’s unfortunate that some people will understand examples of radical Islam coming from Britain or some other western country. Sharia law is a medieval cancer. It must be opposed by all right thinking people without having to quote examples of radical Islam just from the west. [I’m sick and tired of being told…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhaunU2AxY) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/79 "2017-06-13T01:42:09Z")
I’m well aware FGM is an abomination practiced in some African countries. Primarily by Muslims, but I readily conceed other religions in those countries probably do it to. I brought it up because there’s a current US case with over a hundred victims. Who knows if that’s the tip of the iceberg? They’re still investigating Yes, only a few Muslim countries have religious police. The others use their regular police to enforce their religious laws. Somehow I don’t think the people arrested particularly care. I see cases like this reported several times a year. > **[Couple 'detained in UAE for sex outside marriage'](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39208946)** > > The man's mother has pleaded for his release, saying his only crime was to "fall in love". I know extremist religious practices are not a major problem in the US. Yet. It’s our job to make sure that doesn’t change. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2017, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623/80 "2017-06-13T02:15:02Z")
Again, I reiterate that people need to read Agent Storm. It’s not about how terrible “those” people are. It’s a true story of a man’s journey from hard core Danish biker & drug seller to devout Muslim. A man who only wanted to better himself. That desire got twisted into something very ugly. He saw and did some terrible things. Eventually he realized that this was not the true path of Islam. If you only read one book in 2017. Then please read this one. It does show the extremist world for what it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-against-sharia/788623.md?page=5)