# March tract: Roast in our fucking pit, you brain-dead disgrace to ... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 2, 2012, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508 "2012-03-02T01:26:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/21 "2012-03-02T18:52:51Z")
When exactly was the bible outlawed? ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/22 "2012-03-02T20:13:43Z")
> [@charmstr](#): > > Um, my dog’s name is Jack, and I love him. Um, the whole point is that it’s a “shame” a great name (or nickname) like “Jack” is attached to him. * * * > [@Shodan](#): > > … I would have thought global warming was right up the Chickster’s alley - worldwide apocalypse caused by human greed and selfishness. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Nope. Seems like you and Jack share the same critical thinking ability when it comes to climate change. > > Makes you think, huh? > > Oh, sorry, strike that. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Yay, another sterling example of “conservative eco-mysticism” for [my](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7286496&postcount=16) [collection](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5272130&postcount=32)! > > So, human activity is capable of creating or significantly contributing to acid rain and dust bowls and ozone layer thinning and species extinctions and smog and maritime dead zones, but it is somehow magically incapable of affecting the composition of the atmosphere. Fascinating. > [@JRDelirious](#): > > Oh, Hell 😉 no, that would leave him unfazed. Worldwide apocalypse comes only from all those people who at this point of the game have no idea who Jesus is believing in Evolution. And being Catholic. And Gay. Gay Catholic Rock-n-Roll-listenting D&D-playing Evolutionary Scientists **who have never heard of Jesus** or of sin! That’s what brings the apocalypse and even if that’s the most generous unselfish soul to have ever lived, faceless giant Jesus will still stomp him. > > Well, I guess someone at Chick studios must have taken a holiday trip to Guatemala lately. [Emphasis added here] The actual situation I see is that JtC is showing inconsistency yet again. (I know… Big shock that someone like this clown contradicts himself more than the average person. Next thing you know I’ll express surprise that the Westboro folks do unethical things like tamper with photo images!) Way back circa 1970 he wrote _Escape_!, a tract that was later packaged as _The Great Escape_!, and both showed the despair of a suicidal young person over the impending environmental collapse. I seem to recall JtC showed his rescuer, an intelligent older man, a born-again Christian, AGREEING with the overall thrust of what the teenager said he feared. He added some prophecies from the Bible and surprised him with some other claims about what was about to happen. Mankind’s greed and even overpopulation were to set the stage for most or all of the physical suffering as the present age comes to an end. Of course, the Christian man shows that there is escape through “accepting Christ” no matter what happens and that if you do it soon enough you will be raptured and miss the worst. There may be some significant differences in the two versions. [Chickcomics.com](http://Chickcomics.com) probably has the rundown in its Variations section. I’ll be looking it up soon. Nor was this the only tract. In The Mad Machine a stereotypical scientist type assures a reporter that “science” WILL solve all of the environmental problems. Naturally the reporter is eager to know how soon this will take place. “Anywhere from 20 to 300 years” is the answer. A caption at the bottom says, “OOPS! Do we have that long?” While more than 20 years have passed since this Seventies tract came out, I had always gotten the impression that JtC thought even 20 years was too long for a rescue, as much as 300. * * * Getting back to the part of JRD’s post that I bolded: After more than a decade of showing folks, including adults, NOT having the slightest idea that Jesus is supposed to be “G” – if they even have heard of him, old where’s-his-brain contradicts himself again by having one of the scientists scream out that “your Jesus” is not the one to “pray to” for “guidance.” This certainly suggests that she know that Jesus is **supposed** to be divine. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/23 "2012-03-02T21:01:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > So, human activity is capable of creating or significantly contributing to acid rain and dust bowls and ozone layer thinning and species extinctions and smog and maritime dead zones . . . Jesus did all that stuff, too. He’s a busy guy. > [@JRDelirious](#): > > Well, I guess someone at Chick studios must have taken a holiday trip to Guatemala lately. I never knew who Ixchel was until now. Who says Chick tracts aren’t educational? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/24 "2012-03-02T21:18:20Z")
My favorite things not mentioned so far Panel 2) Al Gore as a carbon copy of big brother from the movie 1984 Panel 8b) The gratuitous implication that Muslims have taken over England Panel 11b) The connection between the Environmentalists and the world communist conspiracy Panel 12A) The gratuitous sideswipe at feminists. > [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > Jesus did all that stuff, too. He’s a busy guy.I never knew who Ixchel was until now. You must not be a scientist. We all have shrines to her in our offices. > [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > When exactly was the bible outlawed? I missed that bit. Which panel is it on? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2012, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/25 "2012-03-02T21:35:44Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I missed that bit. Which panel is it on? 33 Why is He angry with the nations ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/26 "2012-03-03T01:30:49Z")
> [@Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](#): > > Who knew old Jack was a fan of Mel Brooks? Well, haven’t you heard? He vould have an enormous schwanzstucker. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/27 "2012-03-03T17:39:09Z")
> [@Stately\_Greek\_Automaton](#): > > Who knew old Jack was a fan of Mel Brooks? Not surprised. Apparently Jack is quite the movie buff & deliberately lays out his stuff like movie storyboards. There’s a great interview someone got when approaching him to do a film adaptation of his work that I’ll have to dig out of my files. This is also where the story came that Jack apparently resembles Slim Pickens. Interesting note- his full color comics were banned at Bob Jones University. Why? The violence & the pulchritude. Check out The Crusaders series & you’ll see that Jack (and Fred Carter) obviously like to draw shapely women. The proposed film was made as “The Light of the World” but not by the interviewer. ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/28 "2012-03-03T23:00:57Z")
I’m disappointed that nobody told us in science class to worship this Ixchel fellow. And Gaia as Venus of Willendorf - with pixels? I was annoyed with the Captain planet cartoon showing Gaia as Western young woman instead of the correct Greek version, but this is … worse. The whole “RCC incited fear about the world’s end to fleece the believers” part which then gets swiped with “but they weren’t scientists” is bizarre. But really interesting is that Chick is explicitly saying that Jesus not only (as God) created the world, leaving it to run as most normal Christians believe, but that he controls the weather. Apparently he didn’t realize the Theodizee questions this brings up - why did Jesus allow the hurricanes and tornadoes to kill Christians or children who had no chance to hear the Gospel? Why did Jesus allow droughts in Africa, again letting children die? Just now there were tornadoes in Indiania and Kentucky - the news showed people praying that their house would be spared. Commentator “The prayers didn’t work.” Jesus is really a sadist. (An older tract about a firefighter has Bob Williams telling him that hell is much worse than serious burns from a burning building, and that God created Hell. Of course, as Straw person the firefighter doesn’t react to that part as a normal person would - curse that sadistic bastard, but wants to get saved instead. Abuse internalised and Stockholm syndrome would be a better name for what Chick is preaching than Christianity). ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/29 "2012-03-04T00:26:25Z")
Blurtations. I’m stealing that. ---
**Author:** ![BluePitbull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@BluePitbull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BluePitbull)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/30 "2012-03-04T01:39:10Z")
> **[Chick.com: Global Warming](https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=1075)** > > Many claim excessive heat buildup will destroy the earth. They're right, but it's not coming the way they expect. Anyone wants to debunk this shitfest? Dumbest part was grouping neopagans, 10th century roman Catholics and Nostradamus with environmentalist scientists. By the way, is Al Gore an atheist? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/31 "2012-03-04T01:56:23Z")
SInce Jack is confident the lake of fire is in our future, he’s into global warming too. Maybe he’s a secret Gaia worshipper. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/32 "2012-03-04T02:14:31Z")
> [@BluePitbull](#): > > [Chick.com: Global Warming](http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1075/1075_01.asp) > Anyone wants to debunk this shitfest? Dumbest part was grouping neopagans, 10th century roman Catholics and Nostradamus with environmentalist scientists. By the way, is Al Gore an atheist? I merged this with an already existing thread on the same topic. Colibri ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/33 "2012-03-04T02:18:32Z")
> [@BluePitbull](#): > > [Chick.com: Global Warming](http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1075/1075_01.asp) > Anyone wants to debunk this shitfest? Dumbest part was grouping neopagans, 10th century roman Catholics and Nostradamus with environmentalist scientists. By the way, is Al Gore an atheist? Remember, to fanatics of Chick’s stripe, anyone who isn’t a member of their exact little cult (and maybe some who are) is a Satanist. It doesn’t matter if they say they believe in something else, or in nothing at all. In his eyes, they’re either lying or deceiving themselves. Since they’re all Satanists, they all get grouped together. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/34 "2012-03-04T03:36:32Z")
Chick’s earlier efforts, for all their egregious stupidity at least had the virtue of hanging together pretty well…a fairly simple, straightforward story line and reasonable cartoon-style artwork. But this one seems kinda…disjointed or something. From Mayan (or whatever) gods to Paul Erlich, to Al Gore to English Muslims (?). And on page 11 he actually acknowledges that climatologists and environmental activists are right! (well, kind of). Assuming JTC is still writing his own stuff, I think this one shows he’s starting to lose it. The guy is, after all within a few weeks of his 88th birthday, and I suspect his mental faculties are not quite what they used to be. Better appreciate 'em while we can…we may be seeing the last of the Chick tracts. ---
**Author:** ![nikonikosuru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f8ce5/32.png) [@nikonikosuru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nikonikosuru)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/35 "2012-03-04T05:40:20Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > Chick’s earlier efforts, for all their egregious stupidity at least had the virtue of hanging together pretty well…a fairly simple, straightforward story line and reasonable cartoon-style artwork. But this one seems kinda…disjointed or something. From Mayan (or whatever) gods to Paul Erlich, to Al Gore to English Muslims (?). And on page 11 he actually acknowledges that climatologists and environmental activists are right! (well, kind of). Assuming JTC is still writing his own stuff, I think this one shows he’s starting to lose it. The guy is, after all within a few weeks of his 88th birthday, and I suspect his mental faculties are not quite what they used to be. Better appreciate 'em while we can…we may be seeing the last of the Chick tracts. He reminds me of a troll who’s running out of unused material and is scraping the bottom of the barrel. It’s a shame this guy truly believes everything he says, otherwise he could have been the Greatest Troll Ever. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/36 "2012-03-04T14:27:56Z")
[There are some who think he is](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law). My piece of evidence on this score was a snippet of dialogue where a demon was attacking a man, and the man says, “Stop it-you’re killing me!” I mean, c’mon. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/37 "2012-03-04T16:06:40Z")
> [@BluePitbull](#): > > [Chick.com: Global Warming](http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1075/1075_01.asp) > Anyone wants to debunk this shitfest? Dumbest part was grouping neopagans, 10th century roman Catholics and Nostradamus with environmentalist scientists. By the way, is Al Gore an atheist? Veitner was irresponsible when claiming that “snowfalls were going to be a thing of the past” If Chick or him had bothered to check the then current published science they would not had found any strong support for that. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/lY-nb4rPcUs/hqdefault.jpg "BP oil spills and an end to snow from potholer54") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY-nb4rPcUs) At least Veitner acknowledged that climate science has progressed from the day he misspoke; yes, lame explanation as science writer Peter Hadfield reports in the video. This idea that most scientists predicted no more winters is a myth, just like Chick’s rest of his screed. ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/38 "2012-03-05T03:18:49Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > My favorite things not mentioned so far… Al Gore as a carbon copy of big brother from the movie 1984… I was wondering who that ominous figure was supposed to be. It _did_ seem to me to be reminiscent of Big Brother addressing the people. I just didn’t see the resemblance to Al. Thank you. > [@FriarTed](#): > > Not surprised. Apparently Jack is quite the movie buff & deliberately lays out his stuff like movie storyboards. There’s a great interview someone got when approaching him to do a film adaptation of his work that I’ll have to dig out of my files. > This is also where the story came that Jack apparently resembles Slim Pickens. Interesting note- his full color comics were banned at Bob Jones University. Why? The violence & the pulchritude. Check out The Crusaders series & you’ll see that Jack (and Fred Carter) obviously like to draw shapely women… I can’t seem to recall any particular cheesecake-sexiness in the women of the original Crusader series dozen or so comics. (Well, maybe the Eastern European seductress in the _Operation Bucharest_ premier, but that was very, very mild.) But pretty much simultaneously came _King of Kings_ with an overview of the Bible and “Church Age” including a sensuous romp by a naked Eve. I’ve heard of _that_ being roundly criticized, although the pre-fallen Eve glowed like a spotlight with Heavenly Glory, and yet, even so, still had the ever-cooperative branches of paradise obscuring the view. Let me know of any scenes in the _Crusaders_ I’ve forgotten. > [@rachelellogram](#): > > Blurtations. I’m stealing that. Sigh. I left off a claim in my post to possess the neologism going back to about Fall, 2000. So go ahead. In any event, I don’t suppose one can file for rights on a neologism. I’m glad you like it. I used to be active on some of the [forums.delphiforums.com](http://forums.delphiforums.com) for years, and a certain walking back-pain 😉 kept inventing silly scenarios to defect criticism of particular Bible narratives as being hopelessly contradictory. He also was quite condescending and made assumptions right and left about anyone arguing with him, so I came up with the term for his empty pronouncements. In fact, I was already using my old member name here, and it is still the e-mail ID I use to stay connected here at SDMB: \*\*True Blue Jack \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/39 "2012-03-05T03:22:33Z")
> [@Trans Fat Og](#): > > The actual situation I see is that JtC is showing inconsistency yet again. (I know… Big shock that someone like this clown contradicts himself more than the average person. Next thing you know I’ll express surprise that the Westboro folks do unethical things like tamper with photo images!) > > Way back circa 1970 he wrote _Escape_!, a tract that was later packaged as _The Great Escape_!, and both showed the despair of a suicidal young person over the impending environmental collapse. I seem to recall JtC showed his rescuer, an intelligent older man, a born-again Christian, AGREEING with the overall thrust of what the teenager said he feared. He added some prophecies from the Bible and surprised him with some other claims about what was about to happen. Mankind’s greed and even overpopulation were to set the stage for most or all of the physical suffering as the present age comes to an end. Of course, the Christian man shows that there is escape through “accepting Christ” no matter what happens and that if you do it soon enough you will be raptured and miss the worst. > > There may be some significant differences in the two versions. [Chickcomics.com](http://Chickcomics.com) probably has the rundown in its Variations section. I’ll be looking it up soon. > > Nor was this the only tract. In The Mad Machine a stereotypical scientist type assures a reporter that “science” WILL solve all of the environmental problems. Naturally the reporter is eager to know how soon this will take place. “Anywhere from 20 to 300 years” is the answer. A caption at the bottom says, “OOPS! Do we have that long?” While more than 20 years have passed since this Seventies tract came out, I had always gotten the impression that JtC thought even 20 years was too long for a rescue, as much as 300. Jack believes in ecological disaster, but only as one of the signs of the end times, and only through the direct intervention of Jesus himself. Any talk of men being able to do what only Jesus has the power to do is obviously heresy! The short timeline is because Jack is certain this will happen in his lifetime, as he is obviously one of the elect who will be raptured. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508/40 "2012-03-05T03:40:19Z")
My favorite bit is in Panel 14B (If I counted right). Apparently Jesus is also known as The Rock. _If you smeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllll what the Lord is cooking…_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/march-tract-roast-in-our-fucking-pit-you-brain-dead-disgrace-to/614508.md?page=3)