# Marco Rubio presidential campaign discussion thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 14, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685 "2015-04-14T21:41:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/161 "2015-11-11T17:33:54Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > Well, perhaps call it a surfeit of charity on my part. But I took Shodan to be making the point that it’s internally inconsistent to go after one guy Rubio for missing 24% of his votes but to give another guy Obama a pass for missing 2/3 of his votes. I agree with this. Hardly anyone was talking about Rubio’s attendance record until _he_ started talking about it. He’s being called out for using his presidential run as an excuse to ignore Senate business, not for actually ignoring his senate business. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/162 "2015-11-11T19:27:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Hardly anyone was talking about Rubio’s attendance record until _he_ started talking about it. He’s being called out for using his presidential run as an excuse to ignore Senate business, not for actually ignoring his senate business. And really he’s being called out for being vocal about how much he hates his job. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2015, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/163 "2015-11-12T14:02:05Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > [Inform yourself, then.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/10/25/28cfaff0-6d59-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html) Did you have a cite for what you claimed? That was a rhetorical question, of course - you don’t. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/164 "2015-11-13T12:29:35Z")
Rubio campaign staff steals Wi-Fi from Pizza Place. > **[Marco Rubio’s ‘Low-Budget’ Campaign Stole Wi-Fi From Nevada Pizza Place...](https://www.mediaite.com/online/marco-rubios-low-budget-campaign-stole-wi-fi-from-nevada-pizza-place/)** > > In an effort to keep costs down, Nevada campaign staffers for Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio took advantage of a local pizza place's offer of free Wi-Fi for customers. Staffer bought pizza and then continued to use the password. Owners have asked them to stop. That’s what I call a low budget campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/165 "2015-11-13T13:23:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Hardly anyone was talking about Rubio’s attendance record until _he_ started talking about it. Factually incorrect. A newspaper editorial attacked him for it, and it was brought up in one of the debates. > [@](#): > > He’s being called out for using his presidential run as an excuse to ignore Senate business, not for actually ignoring his senate business. Also incorrect. He is being attacked for the number of votes he missed, while the same sources did not attack other Presidential candidates for missing the same percentage of votes, or more. As usual, in the mainstream media and the SDMB, IOKIADDI. Nothing more than that. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/166 "2015-11-13T13:43:12Z")
I’m not concerned about his missing votes in the Senate. They all do it when running for president. I’m sure if some major important vote came up and his vote was needed, he’d hustle back to Washington to make the vote. But I don’t think he ran for the Senate with the intention of serving Florida in the Senate, he ran for the purpose of padding his resume for his presidential run. That he will not run for re-election no matter what happens to his current White House run adds some credence to it. While Rubio is less insane than most of the GOP field, I’m not seeing what all the buzz is about. He’s still languishing well behind the batshit twins in the polls. His tax policy in indistinguishable from any other Republican. He’s been forced to swerve to the right on immigration, which essentially forfeits any benefit among Latinos that he would get by being of Cuban descent (which isn’t that big a benefit, if any, in the first place). He has joined the chorus telling people on minimum wage that they do not deserve a raise. His views on US-Cuba relations are several decades past their sell date. It seems to me that the only reason that he’s getting a buzz from the establishment is that their hand-picked man, Jeb, has been a total disaster as a candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/167 "2015-11-13T14:08:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > As usual, in the mainstream media and the SDMB, IOKIADDI. Nothing more than that. Given that the most visible person calling out Rubio was Donald Trump, I will give this assertion all the credit it deserves. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/168 "2015-11-13T14:19:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Given that the most visible person calling out Rubio was Donald Trump, I will give this assertion all the credit it deserves. Remember: IOKIARDI. ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_Rump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Donald\_Rump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donald_Rump)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2015, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/169 "2015-11-21T12:10:18Z")
Rubio [jumps the shark](http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724509/rubio-trump-shut-down-mosques/): > [@](#): > > “It’s not about closing down mosques. It’s about closing down any place — whether it’s a cafe, a diner, an internet site — any place where radicals are being inspired,” Rubio said on Fox News’ The Kelly File on Thursday night when asked if he agreed with Trump. “The bigger problem we have is our inability to find out where these places are, because we’ve crippled our intelligence programs, both through unauthorized disclosures by a traitor, in Edward Snowden, or by some of the things this president has put in place with the support even of some from my own party to diminish our intelligence capabilities.” > > “So whatever facility is being used — it’s not just a mosque — any facility that’s being used to radicalize and inspire attacks against the United States, should be a place that we look at,” he continued. As long as they take people like Rubio seriously, conservatives should really stop being so self-righteous in their supposed respect for the Constitution, and the Left’s lack thereof. ---
**Author:** ![basquebromance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecb155/32.png) [@basquebromance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/basquebromance)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/170 "2015-11-26T15:19:28Z")
Rubio: “We are called to ignore” SCOTUS rulings that go against God > **[Rubio: ‘God’s rules’ trump Supreme Court decisions](https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261298-rubio-gods-rules-trump-supreme-court-decisions/)** > > The candidate said “we are called to ignore” any government order to “violate and sin.” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) says religious believers are called to “ignore” laws that violate their faith. “In essence, if we are ever ordered by a government authority to personally violate and sin — violate God’s law and sin — if we’re ordered to stop preaching the Gospel, if we’re ordered to perform a same-sex marriage as someone presiding over it, we are called to ignore that,” Rubio said in an interview with CBN on Tuesday. “So when those two come into conflict, God’s rules always win,” he added. Rubio said Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision creating a constitutional right to abortion, is open to revision. “It’s current law; it’s not settled law,” he said. “No law is settled. Roe v. Wade is current law, but it doesn’t mean that we don’t continue to aspire to fix it, because we think it’s wrong.” The Republican presidential candidate, who is rising in the polls, encouraged the faithful to work within the political process to change laws that violate their conscience. “If you live in a society where the government creates an avenue and a way for you to peacefully change the law, then you’re called to participate in that process to try to change it,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/171 "2015-11-26T17:23:52Z")
Good plan! A clear path to a well-deserved defeat. You’re losing, you know that, right? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/172 "2015-11-27T09:58:48Z")
> [@Donald\_Rump](#): > > Rubio [jumps the shark](http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724509/rubio-trump-shut-down-mosques/) By his argument, we ought to shut down FoxNews. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/173 "2015-11-27T11:30:18Z")
> [@basquebromance](#): > > Rubio: “We are called to ignore” SCOTUS rulings that go against God > > [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261298-rubio-gods-rules-trump-supreme-court-decisions](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261298-rubio-gods-rules-trump-supreme-court-decisions) > > Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) says religious believers are called to “ignore” laws that violate their faith. > > “In essence, if we are ever ordered by a government authority to personally violate and sin — violate God’s law and sin — if we’re ordered to stop preaching the Gospel, if we’re ordered to perform a same-sex marriage as someone presiding over it, we are called to ignore that,” Rubio said in an interview with CBN on Tuesday. > > “So when those two come into conflict, God’s rules always win,” he added. Yeah, I saw this over at TPM, and the crowd there, I’m disappointed to say, got this one completely wrong. Regardless of what dog whistles he was sending (and I’ll get back to those), he wasn’t talking about imposing God’s law on everyone where God’s law and secular law are in conflict. Rather, he was talking about civil disobedience on the part of Christians if the state were to ever order them to stop preaching the Gospel or officiate over gay marriages. And he’s absolutely right about that, as long as he’s talking about Christians as private citizens, ordained ministers, and whatnot, and not as court clerks or what have you. (If they didn’t ask him to clarify that point during the interview, they should have.) Now the dog whistle is that talk like this feeds the evangelical fantasy that they’re already being persecuted by everything from no prayer in schools to same-sex marriages to ‘happy holidays’ and Starbucks’ red cups, where saying ‘Merry Christmas’ back to that minimum-wage store clerk is, in their minds, an act of defiance to the secular Borg, and that any day now, the persecution will ramp up to the level that Rubio uses as examples here. Because the End Times are coming, and Christians will be horrifically persecuted, at least until they’re all Raptured up. > [@](#): > > Rubio said Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision creating a constitutional right to abortion, is open to revision. > > “It’s current law; it’s not settled law,” he said. “No law is settled. Roe v. Wade is current law, but it doesn’t mean that we don’t continue to aspire to fix it, because we think it’s wrong.” > > The Republican presidential candidate, who is rising in the polls, encouraged the faithful to work within the political process to change laws that violate their conscience. > > “If you live in a society where the government creates an avenue and a way for you to peacefully change the law, then you’re called to participate in that process to try to change it,” he said. He’s certainly right about Roe v. Wade: one more conservative Justice, and it’ll be gone. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/174 "2015-11-27T16:18:39Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Laura Bush killing a guy with her car didn’t hurt them. I’d never even heard of it until a moment ago when I read this. (Admittedly I didn’t follow news much 16 years ago.) But if Hillary had killed someone? Can anyone imagine that fact wouldn’t be braying out of the blogs and cables every.single.day? ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/175 "2015-11-27T16:43:01Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > . . . which essentially forfeits any benefit among Latinos that he would get by being of Cuban descent (which isn’t that big a benefit, if any, in the first place). It isn’t much, but the media continually blow it out of proportion. Rubio is a white Cuban, but because he’s nominally “Hispanic,” everyone seems to think that would give him some kind of “benefit” among “Latinos”–which is really just a reflection of how, even today, in 2015, just a name that ends in a vowel still gets thrown into a general pool of otherness by the media (and probably some misguided Republican leaders). As you indicate, the vast majority of “Latinos” in the U.S., if one can even make such a generalization, hardly identify with Marco Rubio, regardless of what he does on immigration. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/176 "2016-01-07T02:50:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Remember: IOKIARDI. Including [the low spark of high-heeled boys](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/06/marco-rubio-boots-carly-fiorina-rand-paul-ted-cruz/78366570/)…? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/177 "2016-01-07T02:59:21Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > As you indicate, the vast majority of “Latinos” in the U.S., if one can even make such a generalization, hardly identify with Marco Rubio, regardless of what he does on immigration. Latino here, and I agree, but the nit here is that we also do notice what he has done with immigration. He has disavowed his past support for the immigration reform bill, so we know already what a pisser he is. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/178 "2016-01-07T02:59:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Including the low spark of high-heeled boys…? Beatle boots, Beatle boots, Beatle boots! > **[Marco Rubio's stylish boots spark jokes, tweets from rivals](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/01/06/marco-rubio-boots-carly-fiorina-rand-paul-ted-cruz/78366570/?AID=10709313&PID=3865083&SID=ij3o0969gk0004p600dth)** > > Carly Fiorina, the only female in the GOP presidential field, will not be outdone. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/179 "2016-01-08T19:28:09Z")
[Marco Rubio’s goal is eternity](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ1zBODwGTk). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2016, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685/180 "2016-01-12T21:39:04Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Latino here, and I agree, but the nit here is that we also do notice what he has done with immigration. > > He has disavowed his past support for the immigration reform bill, so we know already what a pisser he is. I was listening to NPR this morning and there was a Democratic pro-gun, pro-life Texan congressman of Mexican descent talking about how Mexicans are not likely to view Marco Rubio any more favorably than Mitt Romney (whose father was born in Mexico). Then a Mexican caller called in and really lit it up and pointed out that Cubans get special immigration privileges (they are entitled to all federal benefits (including things like food stamps) as soon as they touch US soil regardless of their immigration status) and then act like they are better than Mexicans because they get on their feet a generation or two ahead of their Mexican counterparts. The caller also had a few impolite things to say about Ted Cruz [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marco-rubio-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/717685.md?page=10)