# Marie Osmond: So what if my oldest daughter is gay **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 21, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182 "2009-05-21T16:00:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ice\_Cream\_Conquest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@Ice\_Cream\_Conquest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Cream_Conquest)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/21 "2009-05-22T18:55:45Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So if gay marriage is legalized in Utah does that mean Marie’s daughter can have more than one wife? Or does it depend on where the storm gathers? Actually, little known fact\* most polygamous women are actually gay. I mean women willing to join a household with one husband and eight wives. Who did you think that was going to appeal to? So to answer your question, yes, as long as they can find a token guy to marry them all. \*By “little known fact” I mean fiction that I just made up for the sake of humor. Please do not think this is serious, factual, or in anyway representative of the views of the Mormon church. ---
**Author:** ![HelloKitty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ecccb3/32.png) [@HelloKitty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelloKitty)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/22 "2009-05-22T20:53:57Z")
While Marie says “So what if she’s gay?”, I also say “So what if she’s adopted?”!!! Who cares if the child is biological or not, Marie is her mother, and a supportive and loving one at that. Bravo for her and for her daughter! ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/23 "2009-05-22T21:17:37Z")
> [@HelloKitty](#): > > While Marie says “So what if she’s gay?”, I also say “So what if she’s adopted?”!!! > > Who cares if the child is biological or not, Marie is her mother, and a supportive and loving one at that. Bravo for her and for her daughter! While I feel that Marie Osmond has become an attention whore of the highest order as of late, I am also kind of surprised about the need that some seem to have about distinguishing between her “adopted” vs “natural” children… ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/24 "2009-05-22T21:27:30Z")
> [@hellokitty](#): > > while marie says “so what if she’s gay?”, i also say “so what if she’s adopted?”!!! > > Who cares if the child is biological or not, marie is her mother, and a supportive and loving one at that. Bravo for her and for her daughter! i love my adopted gay mormon daughter from texas! ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/25 "2009-05-22T23:32:23Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > i love my adopted gay mormon daughter from texas! I’ll take **Heathers** for the win, Wink. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/26 "2009-05-23T01:15:30Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > i love my adopted gay mormon daughter from texas! I love you too. It had to be done. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/27 "2009-05-23T02:33:05Z")
Good for her! Kinda sad for the Mormons that it should be outstanding for a well-known Mormon to make such a benign statement, but still bloody good for her. I know some parents who don’t have the religion excuse who have still ostracised their kids for being gay. > [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > While I feel that Marie Osmond has become an attention whore of the highest order as of late, I am also kind of surprised about the need that some seem to have about distinguishing between her “adopted” vs “natural” children… I think it was just part of a side-discussion about the Osmonds not producing many female children. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/28 "2009-05-23T03:11:40Z")
> [@scifisam2009](#): > > Good for her! Kinda sad for the Mormons that it should be outstanding for a well-known Mormon to make such a benign statement, but still bloody good for her. I know some parents who don’t have the religion excuse who have still ostracised their kids for being gay. > > I think it was just part of a side-discussion about the Osmonds not producing many female children. I will confirm that **scifisam2009** is correct - it was an offshoot about the Osmonds not producing many female children. Of course Jessica is Marie’s daughter in every aspect that really counts. Still though, with all those Mormons, and if 1 in 10 is gay, there’s got to be more, many more, in the closet … right? Maybe I should have made a 😉 somewhere in that post, I guess; I thought the 😃 was enough. ---
**Author:** ![Ruby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/13edae/32.png) [@Ruby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruby)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/29 "2009-05-23T03:41:13Z")
We’ll likely never know if she gets flak from the Morman Church over this. Good on her for putting being a mother over being a morman. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/30 "2009-05-23T05:04:21Z")
Further off topic, but I think it’s interesting that the Osmonds have had more than their share of road bumps. They were like the Beach Boys in that their dad was their professional and business manager and, not knowing the ins and outs of a very cut throat business, he made some absolutely disastrous decisions. After performing for 25 years or more during which they earned tens of millions of dollars if not more, they family was astonished to discover that they weren’t stinking rich but were in fact broke and deeply in debt (even Donnie and Marie, who had more hit singles and the TV show). They forgave their dad, which is a great thing (not meant sarcastically), but it had to sting. Whatever money the Osmonds have today is mostly made in the last 20 years or so. Marie’s probably the richest as that doll line has earned a fortune (home shopping being today what real estate investments were in the 1930s for celebrities wanting to retire rich) and Donnie’s made a fortune with _Joseph_ and playing club dates, and the brothers have a club in Branson MO, so they’ve apparently recuperated nicely, plus being devout Mormons there haven’t been drug problems or expensive divorces like the Beach Boys. (I don’t know if Marie had to pay alimony/support and one of her sons had a drug problem as Larry King was nice enough to blurt out when interviewing her on the day it happened [anyone remember that?], but most of the brothers have their original wives and whatever scandals are apparently minor.) And for all my problems with his religious beliefs I have to say that Donny’s the cutest grandpa in show business. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/31 "2009-05-23T05:42:09Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > It’s not _at_ odds so much as just odd. I don’t think of Mormons as being rodeo folk in the same way that I don’t think of NYC metrosexuals or Portland hippies as being rodeo folk. Actually, the rodeo is _huge_ in Utah. It is an absolutely central part to both the 4th and the 24th of July celebrations, and just about every single town and city in the Northern part of the state boasts rodeo grounds. Plus, the high school rodeo team (or club or whatever the hell it’s called) is a huge part of most school districts. My mom’s side of the family has been in Utah since the first Mormon settlement, and there’s a long history of rodeoing–my mother did barrel racing and my grandmother did barrel and pole racing, as did my great-grandmother. And I’ll end the rodeo hijack here… ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/32 "2009-05-23T12:25:23Z")
> [@scifisam2009](#): > > I think it was just part of a side-discussion about the Osmonds not producing many female children. Since the sex of the child is determined by the father’s sperm, I hope to hell and back that this has no revelance re: Marie’s children. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/33 "2009-05-23T14:44:16Z")
Is the OP saying that the Prop 8 vote would have gone differently if there’d been ONE MORE minor celebrity on the pro-gay side? Or if that minor celebrity had contributed just a FEW more dollars? IF that’s the suggestion, get real. The pro-gay side had waaaay more money and waaaay more celebrity power on its side to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/34 "2009-05-23T16:29:28Z")
The OP (ME!) said nothing about Prop 8. Could you give me a cite for the pro-gay group having more money and celebrity power? ---
**Author:** ![Helena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c68b51/32.png) [@Helena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/35 "2009-05-23T16:31:57Z")
> [@tarragon918](#): > > she’s had two Temple marriages, which is very unusual. It apparently takes a special dispensation to get a Temple divorce. It’s not _that_ unusual. ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/36 "2009-05-23T18:02:32Z")
> [@Helena](#): > > It’s not _that_ unusual. It’s less common than Mormons at rodeos. Probably about as common as gay mormons at rodeos. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/37 "2009-05-23T19:34:27Z")
turns out businesswise, that the youngest jimmy is the business brain in the family. he has his hands in many pots. the singing osmonds have 32 kids between them all. did the oldest 2 marry and have kids as well? i do remember in an interview that donny said the family learned sign to talk to the oldest ones and that they used it all the time back stage and on sets. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/38 "2009-05-23T19:40:29Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Could you give me a cite for the pro-gay group having more money and celebrity power? I trust you’re kidding about the celebrity power. EVERY major celeb I can think of was vocally on the pro-gay side: > **[Brad Pitt donating $100,000 to fight gay marriage ban](https://www.latimes.com/news/la-et-pitt18-2008sep18-sl-storylink.html)** > **[California Proposition 8, Same-Sex Marriage Ban Initiative (2008)](https://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=California_Proposition_8_%282008%29#Expensive_campaign)** > > Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics > **[Celebrities on Proposition 8: Reactions before and after](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/gossip/la-celebsonprop8-pg-photogallery.html)** If you can find ANY major celeb who took the anti-gay side, I’ll applaud your determination. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/39 "2009-05-23T19:41:29Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > The pro-gay side had waaaay more money and waaaay more celebrity power on its side to begin with. I could buy the second ( if we’re assuming most celebrities are in entertainment and exclude politicians as celebrities ), but I dunno about the money side of your argument. Well-heeled Hollywood millionaires don’t necessarily make up for a mobilized Southern Baptist Convention or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182/40 "2009-05-24T07:38:06Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > If you can find ANY major celeb who took the anti-gay side, I’ll applaud your determination. No idea how you’d define major, but there’s [Donny Osmond](http://www.wilshireandwashington.com/2008/12/donny-osmond-wa.html). > [@](#): > > Donny: There are many gay individuals that are members of our church. I know many of them. **In fact, some of my best friends are gay**. You ask how I react regarding their marriages. Well, I do support our Church leaders who say that we can accept those with gay tendencies in our church as long as they do not act upon their temptations. bolding mine obviously In addition to best friends I’ve heard he has a gay niece as well. Tom Cruise and John Travolta are both major by anyone’s definition and I’m pretty sure they weren’t vocally in favor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marie-osmond-so-what-if-my-oldest-daughter-is-gay/497182.md?page=3)