# Marine petitions for conscientious objector status; didn't know Marines were violent **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2003, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480 "2003-04-04T16:02:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/161 "2003-04-08T23:43:38Z")
And I would not call him a Malingerer just yet. > [@](#): > > Any person subject to this chapter who for the purpose of avoiding work, duty, or service”— > > (1) feigns illness, physical disablement, mental lapse or derangement; or > > (2) intentionally inflicts self-injury; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct. No PROOF he is faking. He is, however, a Deserter. He very well be a legit C.O., and maybe a legit gay man. Just with poor planning skills. ---
**Author:** ![Wabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2003, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/162 "2003-04-08T23:44:26Z")
Oh yea? Well you’re a fargen schweinenfullen carb dehyrator! So there. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/163 "2003-04-09T00:01:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBill \* > \*\* He very well be a legit C.O., and maybe a legit gay man. Just with poor planning skills. \*\* So he’s not a malingerer…Just your regular, everyday, run-of-the-mill moron! ---
**Author:** ![Wabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/164 "2003-04-09T00:10:22Z")
Ok, I can accept that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/165 "2003-04-09T04:12:25Z")
Excuse this hijack back to the original topic. You know, the Lance Corporal may just be a coward. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/166 "2003-04-09T04:27:07Z")
Well, I think that’s what started this fight **Ranger**. Some of us say he’s a coward [sub]_coughpansycough_[/sub] and some of us say there may have been other reasons. Oh, and Monty & Otto called people names. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/167 "2003-04-09T05:05:23Z")
You forgot about yourself there, Spit. You called the LCpl a disgrace, IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/168 "2003-04-09T05:24:07Z")
Actually, I said he was a disgrace to CO’s. I _called_ him a coward and a pansy. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/169 "2003-04-09T05:27:59Z")
And there we are…back to the beginning…you did that without evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/170 "2003-04-09T05:45:34Z")
Yes I did. I am using the evidence at hand, and making a decision based upon that evidence. I may be right, I may be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/171 "2003-04-09T12:00:12Z")
In my opinion, he is an idiot. He may factually be a genius. In my opinion, he is a coward. He may factually be braver than Rambo. In my opinion, he is a Deserter. Factually, OH! He is a Deserter. In my opinion, he should get a Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years. Or maybe for the > [@](#): > > Completed or attempted desertion with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 5 years. . Factually, he may, and probably will, get a lesser punishment. He has played the Gay Card. (Note, I have nothing against gays or gays in the military, but in this case (in my opinion) the statement he is gay had nothing to do with his C.O. Claim, it was a move to garner sympathy and support, or a move to get a dismissal from the service.) ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/172 "2003-04-09T12:44:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*Gosh, how could I have been so foolish as to think that a message on a message board posted utterly bereft of context and **without the benefit of even a fucking set of quotation marks** might be a quote from a Python sketch I never heard of as opposed to the actual opinion of the poster?.. \*\* As I said, you can be forgiven for failing to recognize the quote. Yes, **astorian** could have been more clear about it. However, once you were informed of the true nature of the post, it would have been very civilized if you had at least apologized for saying to **astorian** , “Fuck you, you bigoted fucktarded fuck.” (Quite a turn of phrase there, BTW.) Now that you have the facts, do you still think that **astorian** is, in fact, a bigoted fucktarded fuck? No? How about telling him that? Is that really too much to ask? Apparently, being **Otto** means never having to say you’re sorry. There’s really no need to post another “Why should I apologize?” message; we all get the picture. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/173 "2003-04-09T13:20:50Z")
IMO, his desertion cast serious doubts as to his credibility. Any other claims he makes must be looked upon with _some_ skepitcism. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/174 "2003-04-09T13:48:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Early Out \* > \*\*Apparently, being **Otto** means never having to say you’re sorry. > > There’s really no need to post another “Why should I apologize?” message; we all get the picture. \*\* In fact I do and have apologized in the past, when I’ve actually had something for which to apologize. In this case, I don’t. I have yet to see anything from **astorian** indicating that the quote-not-presented-as-a-quote doesn’t reflect his true feelings on this matter. If he at some point apologizes for his piss-poor communication and for posting in such a way as to engender the reaction he got from multiple posters, then I would be delighted to accept his apology and respond in kind. Still patiently waiting for your impassioned plea to **astorian** to apologize for his original post which kicked this shit off to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/175 "2003-04-09T13:56:57Z")
**astorian** reminded us of an incredibly funny (and well known)skit by a famous comedy troop. That hardly seems like an offense that requires an apology. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/176 "2003-04-09T14:08:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*IOW, **Early Out** , fuck you. \*\* USA! USA! USA! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/177 "2003-04-09T15:01:56Z")
Wow, isn’t it kind of early in the day to be this thick? > [@](#): > > astorian reminded us of an incredibly funny (and well known)skit by a famous comedy troop. > > That hardly seems like an offense that requires an apology. The apology is for the offense given to multiple members who, not knowing the sketch in question, were offended by it. “I apologize to those who were offended by my remark. I meant no offense.” Simple. Classy. Absent from this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mac\_Guffin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mac\_Guffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mac_Guffin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/178 "2003-04-09T15:30:42Z")
And thus Otto completely hijacks this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2003, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/179 "2003-04-09T16:15:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*Wow, isn’t it kind of early in the day to be this thick? > The apology is for the offense given to multiple members who, not knowing the sketch in question, were offended by it. “I apologize to those who were offended by my remark. I meant no offense.” Simple. Classy. Absent from this thread. \*\* But…but…It was a famous comedy sketch! (As was pointed out) One of the characters performing in that famous sketch was gay! (as was pointed out) There was nothing to be offended buy in the first place dude. Now untwist your panties, and call it a day. ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480/180 "2003-04-10T14:33:32Z")
Yeah, let’s all just go back to bashing or not bashing the confused Marine. (It appears, BTW, that **kevja** has fled in terror - he, apparently, understood that his ill-informed, abusive overreaction made him appear foolish.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-petitions-for-conscientious-objector-status-didnt-know-marines-were-violent/166480.md?page=10)