# Marine throws puppy off a cliff **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 4, 2008, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093 "2008-03-04T21:29:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![ForumBot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ee59a6/32.png) [@ForumBot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ForumBot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/121 "2008-03-05T17:57:14Z")
I saw a video linked on Youtube labelled “US troops shoot Iraqi kids” and couldn’t believe it. I followed the link and found [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bq3bsGyZUQ&NR=1). It’s easily the greatest thing Ive seeen in the last week. This is the definition of “warms the very cockles of my heart.” (don’t worry, nobody actually gets shot. I have no idea why it’s titled like that.) Sorry, I just needed to share something that would put some good feelings back with the soldiers. I know it helped me. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/122 "2008-03-05T18:19:28Z")
They definitely shouldn’t give up their day job. 🙂 (I’m guessing either someone was trying to ensure outraged folks would watch the video and then see that not everything in Iraq is blood and death or that they were using ‘shoot’ to mean ‘tape’ or ‘shoot video’…probably the former explanation is the correct one) -XT ---
**Author:** ![Gulo\_gulo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bcef8e/32.png) [@Gulo\_gulo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gulo_gulo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/123 "2008-03-05T18:24:26Z")
[Monroe family threatened over video of Marine tossing pup](http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004261286_marine05m.html). ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/124 "2008-03-05T18:29:28Z")
I find it extremely ironic that people out raged over the (purported) death of a puppy would threaten the mans family (I assume with violence if not death and dismemberment). I’m having to pick chucks of my irony meter off the ground and clear the smoke at this point…and this was the new deluxe sooper dooper strong irony meter that has withstood posts by such notables as Der Trihs and Gonzomax… -XT ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/125 "2008-03-05T18:32:48Z")
[QUOTE=Cat Fight] [Here](http://poetry.rotten.com/infantiphagia/) is a link to the [Rotten.com](http://Rotten.com) link, and I cannot stress the NSFWness of the pics enough (especially since I am now having trouble finding the article on the artist behind the ‘piece.’ Please tell me I didn’t just imagine that to soothe my troubled mind and stop the nightmares). [/QUOTE] Asians eat babies? Again people will believe anything. [It’s fake -Snopes Link](http://www.snopes.com/horrors/cannibal/fetus.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/126 "2008-03-05T18:38:40Z")
[QUOTE=Wallenstein] Were there the same yelps of outrage over the “cat and ceiling fan” videos, or the clips of the “cat vs sunroof” that went round a couple of years ago? [/QUOTE] IIRC, those were quickly revealed to be fakes. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/127 "2008-03-05T18:45:47Z")
[QUOTE=BlackKnight] There’s an Internet rule of some sort that says people will instantly declare any photo or video on the Internet a fake, no matter how real. . [/QUOTE] And oddly enough, most of the time they would be right. Funny 'ol world isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/128 "2008-03-05T18:50:54Z")
[QUOTE=ForumBot] I saw a video linked on Youtube labelled “US troops shoot Iraqi kids” and couldn’t believe it. I followed the link and found [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bq3bsGyZUQ&NR=1). It’s easily the greatest thing Ive seeen in the last week. This is the definition of “warms the very cockles of my heart.” (don’t worry, nobody actually gets shot. I have no idea why it’s titled like that.) Sorry, I just needed to share something that would put some good feelings back with the soldiers. I know it helped me. [/QUOTE] Just don’t read the comments… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/129 "2008-03-05T18:53:09Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] This thread is worse than all those conspiracy theorist threads on snopes where someone posts an innocuos picture, and the OMG TEH PIXELS crowd declares it fake out of hand. I think he threw occam’s razor off the cliff along with the puppy. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure how Occam’s Razor applies to this situation. Which is a more far-fetched explanation: that the Marines were stupid and cruel enough to kill a puppy on camera, or that they took the trouble to _fake_ killing a puppy? To me, both scenarios seem equally plausible (or equally implausible). ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/130 "2008-03-05T19:27:50Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Just don’t read the comments… ☹ [/QUOTE] Words to live by on Youtube (and Digg… and, well everywhere on the internets). ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/131 "2008-03-05T20:47:57Z")
So if the other Marine didn’t know he was going to toss the dog, why was he filming? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/132 "2008-03-05T21:07:59Z")
[QUOTE=Don’t fight the hypothetical] So if the other Marine didn’t know he was going to toss the dog, why was he filming? [/QUOTE] It seems pretty clear that the whole thing was staged. The only question is whether it’s a “snuff” film or not. Like other people have been saying the dog’s yelps seem awfully clear and loud given that the rest of the audio sounds like an average video camera. On another bboard, I read a person who claims to be familiar with dogs state that a dog wouldn’t yelp or bark while falling through the air like that – that it’s difficult enough just to breath. For what it may be worth, a few years ago, I had the unfortunate experience of seeing a puppy accidentally jump to its death. As I recall, it didn’t bark or yelp at all while falling. There was just silence followed by a nauseating thump. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/133 "2008-03-05T21:13:31Z")
[QUOTE=crowmanyclouds] [black-hearted sarcastic realism] The US military never kills “human beings”. We do “collateral damage” and kill “the enemy” (usually referred to by a word like kraut, nip, gook, raghead, etc in a further effort to strip away any shred of humanity the soldier might find in “the enemy”). U.S. soldiers never kill human beings. [/bhsr] CMC +fnord! [/QUOTE] That would be an excellent point if there were legions of religiously zealous puppies plotting in dark rooms and dank caves to kill Americans where ever they found them. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/134 "2008-03-05T21:21:35Z")
[QUOTE=yojimbo] And this training **always** removes the chance of them going a bit fucked in the head or always weeds out the fuckers who wouldn’t having a problem with throwing a pup of a cliff [/QUOTE] Of course not, but why aren’t you attacking the original assertion to which that responded: “If the guy has been killing people for two to four years, perhaps his ability to feel that much empathy is a little worn down?” Where is your righteous indignation about whether **every** Marine has **always** been killing people for **two to four years**? Maybe the fact is that there are a few fucked up Marines, just like there are a few fucked up people in most large groups. Maybe the particular Marine has never killed a person. Maybe he didn’t even kill a puppy. Maybe you could jump in with knees jerking **before** it has become a political expediency for you. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/135 "2008-03-05T21:36:57Z")
[QUOTE=ivylass] Let’s assume it’s fake. For the sake of the puppy, I hope it is. Why in the blue bloody hell would anyone want to make it look like you’re throwing a puppy off a cliff? What sick twisted mind thinks that’s funny? [/QUOTE] What kind of sick mind thinks this is funny? [http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/diving\_board\_owned.png](http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/diving_board_owned.png) ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/136 "2008-03-05T21:43:32Z")
[QUOTE=Mangetout] They might be hard to find in the shops in Iraq. Some sort of supply chain thing, maybe. [/QUOTE] Care package? ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/137 "2008-03-05T21:46:29Z")
Thanks, **mswas** , but I’m not going to click on that link. I think I’ll go reread the Lava story I linked to upthread. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/138 "2008-03-05T21:49:08Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] What kind of sick mind thinks this is funny? [/QUOTE] Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/139 "2008-03-05T21:58:11Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Ouch. [/QUOTE] I heard she swam away with only a bloody nose for her troubles. I personally thought it was hilarious when I saw it, of course when I saw it it said, “Fail”. I laughed because I could not think of anything that more clearly said failure. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093/140 "2008-03-05T22:07:08Z")
[QUOTE=mswas] What kind of sick mind thinks this is funny? [http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/diving\_board\_owned.png](http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/diving_board_owned.png) [/QUOTE] I did, actually. She’s a grown woman taking part in a dangerous sport. Why am I supposed to cringe when something bad inevitably happens? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marine-throws-puppy-off-a-cliff/440093.md?page=8)