# Mark McGwires brother writes book about Marks steroid use **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 23, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575 "2009-01-23T03:49:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/101 "2009-01-28T02:22:51Z")
[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/12/03/MNGGFA0UDU65.DTL) According to this Balco gave him 2 undetectable steroids. Balco records show a regime of drugs and many visits. Balco was producing. steroids,masking agents and any other performance drug available. ZThey were a lab that spilled over into sports. [http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/26/Sports/Report\_\_BALCO\_founder.shtml](http://www.sptimes.com/2004/04/26/Sports/Report__BALCO_founder.shtml) This story has a list of 27 athletes Balco serviced. Bonds was named as a user by them in court. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/102 "2009-01-28T02:40:09Z")
Those are outdated stories. It turns out that the government knew all along that Bonds did not use steroids and did not break the law or baseball rules. > **[Bonds blockbuster: 'The Clear' was legal](https://sports.yahoo.com/li-clear011409.html)** > > Yahoo! Sports has reviewed testimony suggesting the designer drug central to BALCO was neither illegal nor a steroid. “In fact, nobody in the seven-year BALCO investigation has been charged with possession or trafficking of the drug.” ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/103 "2009-01-28T18:07:20Z")
[BALCO scandal - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BALCO_Scandal) Here is your refutation. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/104 "2009-01-28T18:12:33Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [BALCO scandal - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BALCO_Scandal) Here is your refutation. Nope, try again. Here’s the entry on Bonds from this link (as of the time of this post): > [@](#): > > Barry Bonds > The former San Francisco Giants outfielder, who holds the major league records for home runs in both a single season and a career, has been the face of steroids in sports despite never being caught explicitly and steadfastly denying any allegations against him. Bonds’s many detractors point to his large increase in size late in his career, as well as his improvement primarily in his power numbers, despite his age. Bonds’s trainer, Greg Anderson, was sentenced to jail time after refusing to testify against Bonds before a grand jury investigating the slugger for perjury. Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, reporters for the San Francisco Chronicle, profiled Bonds’s use of performance enhancing substances in their 2006 book Game of Shadows. The reporters used Bonds’ testimony in front of a grand jury as their most damning evidence, and refused to reveal their source for the court documents. The U.S. government sought charges against them for leaking the testimony, but dropped them when a former attorney for Conte pled guilty to doing so. Despite all this, Bonds, like Giambi, has never been punished by the MLB in any way because he has not, as of yet, failed any drug test.[10] Where in that text does it indicate that Bonds was charged with possession or trafficking of the drug? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/105 "2009-01-28T19:04:40Z")
[http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-07-15-steroids-balco\_x.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-07-15-steroids-balco_x.htm) Conte went to jail and confessed to distributing steroids and other drugs to athletes. Bonds was one of his clients and he was exposed as a user . If you claim the clear and the other substances are not a steroid ,that is counter to his statements in court. Tell Marian Jones she didn’t get steroids from Balco. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/106 "2009-01-28T19:09:26Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-07-15-steroids-balco\_x.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-07-15-steroids-balco_x.htm) Conte went to jail and confessed to distributing steroids and other drugs to athletes. Bonds was one of his clients and he was exposed as a user . If you claim the clear and the other substances are not a steroid ,that is counter to his statements in court. Tell Marian Jones she didn’t get steroids from Balco. Just stop it. Stop making up crap out of thin air, being called out on it, not admitting it, then going somewhere else entirely. You’re arguing against things that NOBODY has said here. Cut it out. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/107 "2009-01-29T15:37:17Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Just stop it. Stop making up crap out of thin air, being called out on it, not admitting it, then going somewhere else entirely. You’re arguing against things that NOBODY has said here. Cut it out. Read 102 ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/108 "2009-01-29T15:40:56Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Read 102 Read the whole thread, start to finish. You start at Statement A, get refuted. You go to Point B, get refuted. You go to Point C, get refuted. You go to Point C, get refuted. You continue on, hoping to blindly stumble upon one nugget that holds the tiniest bit of water, so you can proudly hold it up and claim that it proves Statement A. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/109 "2009-01-29T19:21:05Z")
True he never got caught injecting or rubbing any thing into himself in public. Of course that is something most people do in private. And his trainer went to jail to avoid testifying. You think he did that because he had no damning evidence. I suppose he was trying to get a break on paying his apartment rent for a year or so. Conte,Balco.All the other Balco athletes,have no connection to Bonds. OK ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/110 "2009-01-29T19:38:29Z")
[Report: Barry Bonds used more than 'cream,' 'clear' - ESPN](http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3867536) ESPN story saying the FEDs have a urine sample proving he took steroids. ---
**Author:** ![HubZilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ccd318/32.png) [@HubZilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HubZilla)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/111 "2009-01-29T19:41:06Z")
Didn’t Bonds admit to using “the cream” and “the clear”? I know he tried to play it off with “but I didn’t know it was steroids”. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/112 "2009-01-29T21:18:23Z")
The doubt the urine sample will mean much to Bonds backers… Any athletes I know have a big time knowledge of drugs. They amaze with what they know as laypeople. I have talked with college football players who can talk about drugs for hours and describe how they work in combination. Bonds however apparently used whatever was handed to him. He had no knowledge of Canseco and McGwires’ use and was not compelled to get the limelight back. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/113 "2009-01-29T23:00:15Z")
His old teammate Estalella is supposed to testify against him. He is supposed to have first hand knowledge of Bonds knowing full well what he took.They really want his trainer , Anderson. to testify against him but that seems unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/114 "2009-02-04T16:38:53Z")
[Report: Retested Barry Bonds sample yields positive - ESPN](http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3881897) Bonds urine samples from 2002-3 are being released . They apparently show steroids usage. Bonds better find a way out fast. In baseball camps, the players are made extremely aware of the effects and penalties for drugging. I am sure Balco told Bonds they had testing beaten. I do not believe he thought he was rubbing flaxseed oil on him self. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/115 "2009-02-04T17:14:57Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I do not believe he thought he was rubbing flaxseed oil on him self. Even counting Giants fans, does _anybody_ believe that? You almost hope not. It’s just too stupid. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/116 "2009-02-04T17:24:41Z")
He has defenders. I do not know how. If you want an education in drugs ,how they work together and what their effects are, ask an athlete. They are putting it into their body and know damn well what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/117 "2009-02-06T13:48:50Z")
Yet another great piece of journalistic reporting from Will Carroll: [http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8470](http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8470) ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/118 "2009-02-06T14:05:03Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Yet another great piece of journalistic reporting from Will Carroll: > > [Under The Knife: Dr. X2 | Baseball Prospectus](http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8470) To everyone who wants McGwire out of the hall. Would it change your opinion of him if it came out he took “steroids” only to come back from injury, and not to bulk up? ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/119 "2009-02-06T14:40:08Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > To everyone who wants McGwire out of the hall. Would it change your opinion of him if it came out he took “steroids” only to come back from injury, and not to bulk up? Nope. Just to be safe, I want everyone in 1990s and 2000s to be kept out of HoF unless they were unusually thin, light, agile ballplayers who rarely spent time on the DL and who had perfectly unblemished skin. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575/120 "2009-02-06T14:48:23Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Nope. > > Just to be safe, I want everyone in 1990s and 2000s to be kept out of HoF unless they were unusually thin, light, agile ballplayers who rarely spent time on the DL and who had perfectly unblemished skin. I think we’ve heard quite enough about David Eckstein, thank you very much. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mark-mcgwires-brother-writes-book-about-marks-steroid-use/482575.md?page=7)