# Marley--disagree with your modding **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 3, 2012, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723 "2012-05-03T05:48:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/61 "2012-05-08T15:56:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Here’s his list of adjectives: > > _ **will·ful** > adjective > 1.deliberate, voluntary, or intentional: The coroner ruled the death willful murder. > 2.unreasonably stubborn or headstrong; self-willed._ > > #1 makes no sense in context, so I assume #2, and that doesn’t contradict what I posted earlier. No, “deliberate” makes perfect sense in context. These are people, according to **SA** , who have destroyed people’s lives on purpose, knowing full well (or not caring) what destruction they were causing. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/62 "2012-05-08T19:23:05Z")
The noun in that sentence was what? Oh, adolescents. They were deliberate adolescents. Um, I’m not getting “intentionally killing people” from that. Quite apart from your abuse of the word genocide. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/63 "2012-05-08T19:33:34Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Quite apart from your abuse of the word genocide. Millions more people have died or had their lives ruined as a direct result of liberals making things “better” = “genocide”, or am I abusing the term in some way I do not see? If you kill millions of people, that’s genocide to me, and that’s exactly what he was accusing lib erals of doing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/64 "2012-05-08T20:18:43Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > No, “deliberate” makes perfect sense in context. These are people, according to **SA** , who have destroyed people’s lives on purpose, knowing full well (or not caring) what destruction they were causing. Let’s see which makes more sense: They are a bunch of headstrong adolescents. Ding! They are a bunch of deliberate adolescents. Bzzzt! Aren’t you supposed to be some kind of English professor or something? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/65 "2012-05-09T07:16:37Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > It is possible to argue without the level of venom displayed in this instance. It was completely unnecessary and way over the top. > [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Says the guy whose views were being castigated. A wise man once said, “It is possible to argue without the level of venom displayed in this instance. It was completely unnecessary and way over the top.” I agree. > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > A dial-it-down is almost always good modding because it is almost always justified. It was here. The only problem being is that while an admonishment to dial it down is taken with a nod by normal people, some snowflakes seem to think it impinges on their personal freedoms. And we can’t have that. > [@magellan01](#): > > But that nonsense aside, it’s either bye-bye to Der Trihs or it’s Mod pretzel-tying time. I don’t think so. The objectionable hyperbole in the referenced post was incidental to the main point. Der Trihs’s hysterical apocalypticism OTOH, is intrinsic to his POV. So it’s harder to censor the man in that case without censoring the idea, such as it is. And if Der’s given a small, specific order, there’s a decent chance that he would comply: he shows a surprising amount of discipline for someone who posts such unhinged stuff. He’s perfectly agreeable at times. > [@pseudotriton ruber ruber](#): > > The suggestion that Mods recuse themselves is one I’ve been making for several years now, with almost no effect. I raise a glass to those who have ignored this recommendation. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/66 "2012-05-09T14:35:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > But I agree with the larger point you are making, as I said in my earlier post. This new mod rule seems to have come into being like Athena, bursting out of Zeus’ brow. And if it’s going to be applied, I’d like to see it applied consistently. Well, it looks like there is more broad application of this rule than I thought, at least now. [Link.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15046358&postcount=40) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/67 "2012-05-09T14:51:31Z")
Much as I appreciate the Athena analogy, I don’t think we’re treading on any new ground here. We’re trying to keep the discussions on topic rather than have them get derailed by partisan broadsides. The debates here are supposed to be fun and supposed to be as open as possible, but practically any debate can get wrecked right away by that kind of thing, so we’re trying to keep it from getting out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/68 "2012-05-09T17:10:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Much as I appreciate the Athena analogy, I don’t think we’re treading on any new ground here. We’re trying to keep the discussions on topic rather than have them get derailed by partisan broadsides. The debates here are supposed to be fun and supposed to be as open as possible, but practically any debate can get wrecked right away by that kind of thing, so we’re trying to keep it from getting out of hand. I think it’s a great idea. I just hadn’t notice much of an effort to do this in the past. Maybe it’s confirmation bias, but if you guys do more smackdowns of threadshitting like that from both sides, so much the better. It really gets tiresome to have every damn political thread in GD turned into a contest of who can bash the other side the most. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/69 "2012-05-09T17:41:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think it’s a great idea. I just hadn’t notice much of an effort to do this in the past. Maybe it’s confirmation bias, but if you guys do more smackdowns of threadshitting like that from both sides, so much the better. > > It really gets tiresome to have every damn political thread in GD turned into a contest of who can bash the other side the most. Agreed–[Tom’s modding here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15046358&postcount=40) is in exactly the same vein and (IMO) spot-on perfect. For whatever it’s worth, I like this trend in GD. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/70 "2012-05-09T17:43:51Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Agreed–[Tom’s modding here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15046358&postcount=40) is in exactly the same vein and (IMO) spot-on perfect. That’s what I linked to in post #66. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/71 "2012-05-09T17:57:51Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Millions more people have died or had their lives ruined as a direct result of liberals making things “better” = “genocide”, or am I abusing the term in some way I do not see? If you kill millions of people, that’s genocide to me, and that’s exactly what he was accusing lib erals of doing. Genocide is more than mass killing. Genocide is the deliberate extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group. It is the selectivity of the group being targeted and the wholesale approach to wiping out that group that defines _genocide_. Killing millions of people is a bad thing, but unless it is systemically aimed at a specific group, it isn’t genocide. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/genocide](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/genocide) ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/72 "2012-05-10T12:19:11Z")
How is it that the three page GD thread on Obama’s new gay marriage position isn’t in Elections? You know the one **Marley** , you were again the first one to respond to it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/73 "2012-05-10T12:36:19Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > How is it that the three page GD thread on Obama’s new gay marriage position isn’t in Elections? You know the one **Marley** , you were again the first one to respond to it. Requests for thread moves should be made by the ‘report this post’ button. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/74 "2012-05-10T14:53:32Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > How is it that the three page GD thread on Obama’s new gay marriage position isn’t in Elections? You know the one **Marley** , you were again the first one to respond to it. Reported. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2012, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723/75 "2012-05-11T12:27:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Requests for thread moves should be made by the ‘report this post’ button. I don’t really care what forum it’s in. I wanted the reasoning so I can do my best to follow the rules …that’s why I asked “why”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-disagree-with-your-modding/620723.md?page=3)