# Marley: Gun Grabber is not restricted to the Pit. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 13, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086 "2013-01-13T19:41:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/61 "2013-01-14T22:23:38Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And my understanding is that I can use “gun grabber” at any time, in any thread about guns, with no further mod action taken, correct? Is that understanding based on any particular post I’ve made? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/62 "2013-01-14T22:24:07Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > And my understanding is that I can use “gun grabber” at any time, in any thread about guns, with no further mod action taken, correct? I’m curious-From which post did you take this “understanding” from? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/63 "2013-01-14T22:26:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > With that, **magellan01** and **Left Hand of Dorkness** , you need to take this discussion elsewhere. The thread was originally about the “gun grabber” mod note and at this point this has nothing to do with that at all. I’m fine with LHOD, but I’d like to continue this with you. So, if this thread is to be left to your ridiculous modding of “gun grabber”, where can I post to chronicle the ridiculousness of your moderating “lighten up”, “priggish”, and your moderation generally. Would the ascot-free Pit be appropriate? Or can one no longer pit mods? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/64 "2013-01-14T22:28:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Is that understanding based on any particular post I’ve made? Why don’t you answer the question directly? If my understanding is not correct, then I’ll ask you to clarify exactly when and where I can use the term. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/65 "2013-01-14T22:35:17Z")
A bunch of prig-grabbers in this thread, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/66 "2013-01-14T22:36:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’m curious-From which post did you take this “understanding” from? Too slow. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Why don’t you answer the question directly? Because I found your question bizarre and I was wondering if you had interpreted something I had said in a way I hadn’t intended. The deal is this, **Oakminster** : the phrase isn’t prohibited in Great Debates. (There are few prohibitions of that type.) If you’re posting in a thread and a mod tells you to stop saying “gun grabber,” stop saying it. If there is a more general mod note about turning down the heat in a thread, consider avoiding deliberately inflammatory phrasings like “gun grabber” for the rest of that thread. > [@magellan01](#): > > I’m fine with LHOD, but I’d like to continue this with you. So, if this thread is to be left to your ridiculous modding of “gun grabber”, where can I post to chronicle the ridiculousness of your moderating “lighten up”, “priggish”, and your moderation generally. Would the ascot-free Pit be appropriate? Or can one no longer pit mods? These questions make me think you don’t pay much attention to the forum rules even though you post fairly often in ATMB. Perhaps if you do pay more attention, you will have fewer issues that need to be cleared up in future ATMB threads. Since February 2009, the rule has been that you cannot Pit the mods for their moderation. If you want to continue to quibble about my handling of insults like “priggish,” you can start a new thread in ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/67 "2013-01-14T22:41:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Too slow. I posted first, but you’re just closer to the server. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Krav\_Manga](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/krav_manga/32/3153_2.png) [@Krav\_Manga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krav_Manga)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/68 "2013-01-14T22:54:44Z")
> [@](#): > > The deal is this, Oakminster: the phrase isn’t prohibited in Great Debates. (There are few prohibitions of that type.) If you’re posting in a thread and a mod tells you to stop saying “gun grabber,” stop saying it. Simple, really. There are some phrases that are appropriate for GD, except when they aren’t. The contortions that some of you people put yourselves through to avoid saying you were wrong must be he’ll on your spine. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/69 "2013-01-14T22:55:49Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > These questions make me think you don’t pay much attention to the forum rules even though you post fairly often in ATMB. Perhaps if you do pay more attention, you will have fewer issues that need to be cleared up in future ATMB threads. Since February 2009, the rule has been that you cannot Pit the mods for their moderation. If you want to continue to quibble about my handling of insults like “priggish,” you can start a new thread in ATMB. Hmmm. If I can only complain about your moderation of the “p-word” in ATMB, that will be difficult without you thinking additional Warnings are justified, especially since I’d be commenting on your “p”-ness" in the process. Not to mention other adjectives that describe you modding style that you are bound to take offense at, regardless of their accuracy. Double-especially if I use it the “p-word” to describe your moderating style. :eek: Not only that, if I were to fairly criticize said moderation, the language would be appropriate in the Pit only, so that would garner me yet another Warning. Oh well, may the Magic Mod Cloak continue to protect you. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/70 "2013-01-14T23:14:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Hmmm. If I can only complain about your moderation of the “p-word” in ATMB, that will be difficult without you thinking additional Warnings are justified, especially since I’d be commenting on your “p”-ness" in the process. I’m sorry if you don’t appreciate my p-ness. Most people like it just fine once they get to know it. I admit I’m not used to talking about my p-ness in such a public forum, but I think I can handle it. Not to toot my own horn but I think I’m one of the best p-ness handlers on the SDMB. > [@](#): > > Not to mention other adjectives that describe you modding style that you are bound to take offense at, regardless of their accuracy. Double-especially if I use it the “p-word” to describe your moderating style. :eek: Not only that, if I were to fairly criticize said moderation, the language would be appropriate in the Pit only, so that would garner me yet another Warning. > > Oh well, may the Magic Mod Cloak continue to protect you. To begin with, you are still complaining about a topic I told you point-blank that you need to let go of. And your complaint seems to boil down to “I can’t dispute your moderation without insulting you personally, and that’s not fair.” That’s not a magic mod cloak. It suggests you have trouble making your point without insulting people, and this thread attests to the same. If you have anything else to say about any of this - the rules on insults in ATMB, my moderation of your insults in this thread, and so on - **do it in another thread and not this one**. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/71 "2013-01-14T23:31:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Too slow. > > Because I found your question bizarre and I was wondering if you had interpreted something I had said in a way I hadn’t intended. The deal is this, **Oakminster** : the phrase isn’t prohibited in Great Debates. (There are few prohibitions of that type.) If you’re posting in a thread and a mod tells you to stop saying “gun grabber,” stop saying it. If there is a more general mod note about turning down the heat in a thread, consider avoiding deliberately inflammatory phrasings like “gun grabber” for the rest of that thread. I continue to be baffled. If the term is not against the rules, there is no justification for a mod to tell me to stop using it. Particularly when tea bagger escapes mod sanction. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/72 "2013-01-14T23:50:57Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I continue to be baffled. If the term is not against the rules, there is no justification for a mod to tell me to stop using it. Particularly when tea bagger escapes mod sanction. Maybe looking up the definition of “moderator” and/or “moderation” might help? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/73 "2013-01-15T00:01:17Z")
Right, it’s not like he’s the fucking hall monitor. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/74 "2013-01-15T00:02:16Z")
Hey, no fucking in the hall! ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/75 "2013-01-15T00:07:45Z")
I also have an unappreciated p-ness ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/76 "2013-01-15T00:39:30Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > I also have an unappreciated p-ness Please no videos…we believe you. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/77 "2013-01-15T01:28:42Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I continue to be baffled. If the term is not against the rules, there is no justification for a mod to tell me to stop using it. Particularly when tea bagger escapes mod sanction. You’re here at the mod’s sufferance. If a mod tells you to dance like a monkey, you dance like a monkey. If they tell you not to use the letter q in your posts, you don’t use the letter q. Fortunately for you (unfortunately for us spectators), they’re not that arbitrary. Instead, they expect you to not post in an obnoxious style. Sometimes they let it slide, but not always. If you feel sad and angry when they wag a finger at you, stay out of the gray zone: don’t ever post obnoxiously, even though you might get away with it. Because you might not. You might get a finger wag. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/78 "2013-01-15T01:35:23Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You’re here at the mod’s sufferance. If a mod tells you to dance like a monkey, you dance like a monkey. If they tell you not to use the letter q in your posts, you don’t use the letter q. We have a decent amount of discretion in how we interpret the rules because people are, heh, creative - but no, this isn’t how I’d put it or how we want people to look at it. What happened here was that I asked **Oakminster** to be a bit more civil instead of posting some broadsides about people who wanted to grab guns and didn’t care about prosecuting murderers, and I didn’t explain my reasoning clearly enough. Meanwhile there have been three or four more vitriolic comments in that thread and I’ve modded those, too. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/79 "2013-01-15T01:35:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Fortunately for you (unfortunately for us spectators), they’re not that arbitrary. Yeah they are. Liberals get a lot more leeway than conservatives do. All the mods are liberal, hell, one of them was pimping a ridiculous conspiracy theory about an attempt to impreach Obama. Marley hates the South, Conservatives, and all things loosely connected to either. It’s ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/80 "2013-01-15T01:41:01Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > I also have an unappreciated p-ness Pfft. I’m in the major league baby. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086.md?page=5)