# Marley: Gun Grabber is not restricted to the Pit. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [January 13, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086 "2013-01-13T19:41:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/81 "2013-01-15T01:42:28Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > All the mods are liberal, hell, one of them was pimping a ridiculous conspiracy theory about an attempt to impreach Obama. Marley hates the South, Conservatives, and all things loosely connected to either. It’s ridiculous. Then Pit **RickJay** or Pit me instead of making me waste my time explaining something preposterously simple - to a man with a law degree, no less. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/82 "2013-01-15T01:49:01Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Then Pit **RickJay** or Pit me instead of making me waste my time explaining something preposterously simple - to a man with a law degree, no less. I can’t pit you for being a biased mod. And I bet you won’t sanction yourself for insulting me. Which you clearly just did. Keep going, Marley. Eventually you’ll achieve your obvious goal of making posting while conservative a bannable offense. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/83 "2013-01-15T01:50:25Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I can’t pit you for being a biased mod. You could Pit me for all that other nonsense about the South. (Don’t go back to the SEC thread, though, there’s a spoiler in there you won’t like.) > [@](#): > > And I bet you won’t sanction yourself for insulting me. For saying you have a law degree, or pointing out that this is a waste of time? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/84 "2013-01-15T01:52:35Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > For saying you have a law degree, or pointing out that this is a waste of time? Your use of the word “preposterous”. Exactly the same thing you warned **Magellan** for. Guess it is ok when you do it, though. Mr. Moderator. Sir. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/85 "2013-01-15T01:54:13Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Your use of the word “preposterous”. Exactly the same thing you warned **Magellan** for. Guess it is ok when you do it, though. Mr. Moderator. Sir. I said the mod note was preposterously simple, and it was: the message was “cool it.” I warned **magellan01** for insulting another poster. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/86 "2013-01-15T01:58:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > (Don’t go back to the SEC thread, though, there’s a spoiler in there you won’t like.) I just looked at that thread. Nothing from you after my post #192 pointing out that you started the hijack/trainwreck with your unwarranted and inappropriate potshot at the South. Which was way more offensive than “gun grabber” could possibly be to any reasonable person. But you’re a moderator, and it was a shot at the South, so by your biased version of moderation, it was perfectly fine. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/87 "2013-01-15T02:01:20Z")
Worst explanations for mod actions _ever_. Which leave me to agree with **magellan**. And that just plain sucks. ☹ The Gun Grabber. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/88 "2013-01-15T02:10:03Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I just looked at that thread. In a forum I don’t moderate, by the way. > [@](#): > > Nothing from you after my post #192 pointing out that you started the hijack/trainwreck with your unwarranted and inappropriate potshot at the South. And now we’re arguing about something that isn’t about moderating and has nothing to do with the issue you started this thread to ask me about. Pit me or don’t; ask me a rules question or don’t. This is frivolous. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/89 "2013-01-15T02:17:54Z")
So you just can’t admit you made a bad call, huh? Too bad. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/90 "2013-01-15T02:21:53Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > So you just can’t admit you made a bad call, huh? Too bad. I have no problem admitting I made the wrong call when I’m convinced I did. Otherwise, no, I probably won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/91 "2013-01-15T02:29:19Z")
When is the last time a mod here actually admitted a mistake? It’s been a long time. You made one that prompted this thread. There was no reason for you to moderate the use of a term that by your own admission does not violate any rules. But you just had to go wave your big mod stick around. For no particular reason. That pisses people off, in case you haven’t noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/92 "2013-01-15T02:36:57Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > When is the last time a mod here actually admitted a mistake? The last time I reversed a warning was about a month and a half ago. > [@](#): > > You made one that prompted this thread. You failed to convince me of that. Sorry. It doesn’t make me inherently unreasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/93 "2013-01-15T02:39:00Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The last time I reversed a warning was about a month and a half ago. And in this thread I’ve acknowledged a couple of times that I could’ve made my instructions clearer. ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/94 "2013-01-15T08:10:13Z")
In fairness I think LHOD is attempting a classic skirt of the don’t insult the poster rule here. While mostly insulting the post he does sneak this jab in: “… and again being charitable, I don’t think you’re that incompetent.” Seems every bit as insulting as: “That’s a mighty high horse you’re on…” ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/95 "2013-01-15T13:42:14Z")
We should just have a sticky with a list of insults that are OK, like “tea-bagger”, “gun nut” and other terms that insult republicans. We can also post a list of the insults that aren’t OK, like “gun grabber” and other terms that insult democrats. It would save time and make things much more clear. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/96 "2013-01-15T14:42:17Z")
I don’t expect **Marley** to change his mind, but I’m going to voice my opinion anyway… If I were to undertake a mission to improve the tone of GD, the post in question by **Oakminster** would be waaaaaay down on the list of posts that should be moderated. There are any number of steaming piles of shit dumped in GD everyday, and this was an attempt to brush a grain of sand away. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/97 "2013-01-15T15:05:52Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > We should just have a sticky with a list of insults that are OK, like “tea-bagger”, “gun nut” and other terms that insult republicans. We can also post a list of the insults that aren’t OK, like “gun grabber” and other terms that insult democrats. > > It would save time and make things much more clear. Don’t forget gun fetishist…that’s one of my favorites. There is also the ever popular Red Dawn Fantasy assertion as well, though that one is a bit mild I suppose. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/98 "2013-01-15T15:10:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t expect **Marley** to change his mind, but I’m going to voice my opinion anyway… > > If I were to undertake a mission to improve the tone of GD, the post in question by **Oakminster** would be waaaaaay down on the list of posts that should be moderated. There are any number of steaming piles of shit dumped in GD everyday, and this was an attempt to brush a grain of sand away. That may be true, but I wouldn’t place any money on any two poster’s lists of words/phrases being anywhere near the same. Couple that with the fact that the mods also use context and tone when determining these things, and it’s not so easy to figure out what should be allowed where, and when. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/99 "2013-01-15T15:17:04Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > We should just have a sticky with a list of insults that are OK, like “tea-bagger”, “gun nut” and other terms that insult republicans. We can also post a list of the insults that aren’t OK, like “gun grabber” and other terms that insult democrats. False dilemma: the gun regulation thing isn’t purely a Republicans vs. Democrats issue. And again, I’ve moderated insults of gun owners or opponents of gun control. I did it once or twice in the thread we’re talking about. Asserting it doesn’t happen (or ignoring it when it does) doesn’t make it come true. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > If I were to undertake a mission to improve the tone of GD, the post in question by **Oakminster** would be waaaaaay down on the list of posts that should be moderated. There are any number of steaming piles of shit dumped in GD everyday, and this was an attempt to brush a grain of sand away. That’s probably true. Trying to moderate every gun control thread this way would be futile because there have been too many of them over the last month. I hoped to keep this one a bit more civil; it hasn’t really worked since there have been a couple of more serious insults as the discussion went on. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086/100 "2013-01-15T15:46:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > False dilemma: the gun regulation thing isn’t purely a Republicans vs. Democrats issue. And again, I’ve moderated insults of gun owners or opponents of gun control. I did it once or twice in the thread we’re talking about. Asserting it doesn’t happen (or ignoring it when it does) doesn’t make it come true. The Straight Dope Message Board–Stifling Conservatives Since 1973. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-gun-grabber-is-not-restricted-to-the-pit/647086.md?page=6)