# Marley--here we go again. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 14, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321 "2013-05-14T16:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/1 "2013-05-14T16:00:49Z")
[This thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16288639#post16288639). I’m baffled by your instruction. Pointing out potential constitutional violations is not “reasoned critiques”? Disagreeing with platform proposals is threadshitting? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/2 "2013-05-14T16:05:29Z")
I think my instructions were quite clear: > [@What Would Your Ideal Political Party Platform Be?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-ideal-political-party-platform-be/658213/34): > > You are wandering into threadshitting territory. If you want to post your own ideas or even offer reasoned critiques of other proposals, go ahead - but do that instead of “boo hiss” and mocking other posters. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Pointing out potential constitutional violations is not “reasoned critiques”? Posting “First Amendment” over and over (usually with no other details) isn’t very useful because of the lack of discussion but it’s at least on topic. That’s why I didn’t single it out. “Boo hiss” and “Don’t you teach civics? Or did at one time?” is merely obnoxious. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/3 "2013-05-14T16:18:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think my instructions were quite clear: > Posting “First Amendment” over and over (usually with no other details) isn’t very useful because of the lack of discussion but it’s at least on topic. That’s why I didn’t single it out. “Boo hiss” and “Don’t you teach civics? Or did at one time?” is merely obnoxious. The First Amendment objections are blatantly obvious to anyone that has passed high school civics. “Boo Hiss” is merely a shorthand way of saying “I disagree with this idea”. I violated no rules in that thread. I note that you ignored the rule violation I reported. You are being unfair, and moderating according to your own political and personal bias. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/4 "2013-05-14T16:25:14Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Pointing out potential constitutional violations is not “reasoned critiques”? Turn it around. Do you genuinely think that your post comprised “reasoned critiques” of the ideas offered? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/5 "2013-05-14T16:25:46Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I violated no rules in that thread. Our main rule here is “don’t be a jerk,” and I felt some of your comments (the ones I quoted) were becoming kind of jerkish. I asked you to stop doing that and specifically explained what the problem was and what was acceptable. > [@](#): > > I note that you ignored the rule violation I reported. It wasn’t a rules violation. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/6 "2013-05-14T16:27:57Z")
Allow me to demonstrate the sort of “reasoned critique” that I bet wouldn’t have been moderated: > [@silenus](#): > > 1. All tax exemptions for churches are repealed. > [@Elmprecher](#): > > Err…wouldn’t this run afoul of the first amendment? If there are two soup kitchens, one of which is secular and the other of which is run by a church, you need to offer tax-exempt status either to both or to neither. If you offer it to the secular one but not the church one, you’re essentially establishing a state religion (or, rather, the absence of one), which is totally nonkosher according to the first amendment. If you’d said something like that, dollars to doughnuts the moderation wouldn’t have happened. It wasn’t about the content of your post, it was about the lack thereof. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/7 "2013-05-14T16:28:10Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > The First Amendment objections are blatantly obvious to anyone that has passed high school civics. Well, I thought Marley’s instruction was blatantly obvious to anyone who passed first grade so clearly even great minds can differ. > [@](#): > > “Boo Hiss” is merely a shorthand way of saying “I disagree with this idea”. A rude, less constructive shorthand. But even without the shorthand, going into a thread soliciting people’s opinions on political platforms and saying “I disagree with this idea” to every idea you disagree with is not exactly a valuable contribution to the thread. > [@](#): > > You are being unfair, and moderating according to your own political and personal bias. Again. I think the bias is your own here. You were not contributing to the thread, you were throwing rocks at the posts of those who did contribute. Rather than examining your own behavior in light of Marley’s request, you immediately assumed you were being persecuted and ran to ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/8 "2013-05-14T16:30:04Z")
Eh, sounds like Oak’s posts were moderated because Marley didn’t like them. Are we modding content-free posts now, or posts deemed to contain insufficient content, because then we’d have to note half the board. “Boo hiss” is shorthand for “I find this idea distasteful,” which as far as I know we’re allowed to do without further explanation. Does he need to give a detailed breakdown of his disapproval to go unwarned? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/9 "2013-05-14T16:30:31Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Turn it around. Do you genuinely think that your post comprised “reasoned critiques” of the ideas offered? Yes, I do. Every post I made it that thread, other than the parody remark to **BobLibDem** was substantive. I challenged the merits of the proposals offered. I’m not going to post a “wall’o’text” with multiple citations to authority for something like that, but I did raise reasonable objections on a variety of grounds. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/10 "2013-05-14T16:30:48Z")
Marley, maybe you shouldn’t have included […] in your note. I assumed you were only talking about ‘boo hiss’ and the civics teacher comment, some seem to think it included the whole post. Even the ‘boo hiss’ and civics teacher thing are kind of mild though. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/11 "2013-05-14T16:32:47Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It wasn’t a rules violation. :rolleyes: Sure it wasn’t. The fact that it was made by a friend of yours, with a history of doing that kind of thing, and who just happens to agree with your radical leftist agenda had absolutely nothing to do with that determination. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/12 "2013-05-14T16:33:17Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Eh, sounds like Oak’s posts were moderated because Marley didn’t like them. Are we modding content-free posts now, or posts deemed to contain insufficient content, because then we’d have to note half the board. And then what–everyone’s forced to put some actual thought and content into their posts? I don’t see this as an apocalyptic vision of the future. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/13 "2013-05-14T16:34:55Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Sure it wasn’t. The fact that it was made by a friend of yours, with a history of doing that kind of thing, and who just happens to agree with your radical leftist agenda had absolutely nothing to do with that determination. **Marley23** has a radical leftist agenda? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/14 "2013-05-14T16:38:28Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Sure it wasn’t. The fact that it was made by a friend of yours, with a history of doing that kind of thing, and who just happens to agree with your radical leftist agenda had absolutely nothing to do with that determination. The thread topic is “What Would Your Ideal Political Party Platform Be?” and **Czarcasm** asked, since you had taken time to post several “substantive” rejoinders to other people’s platforms, if you were going to post a platform of your own. You didn’t do that, but you did report his post and accuse him of junior moderating, and then you started an ATMB thread to complain that I’d discouraged you from saying “boo hiss” and challenging people’s legal and teaching credentials. The gist of my note was clear: some of your behavior in that thread was kind of obnoxious, so I asked you to stop. Have you stopped to consider the possibility that you’re turning this into a personal thing unnecessarily? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/15 "2013-05-14T16:40:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The thread topic is “What Would Your Ideal Political Party Platform Be?” and **Czarcasm** asked, since you had taken time to post several “substantive” rejoinders to other people’s platforms, if you were going to post a platform of your own. You didn’t do that, but you did report his post and accuse him of junior moderating, and then you started an ATMB thread to complain that I’d discouraged you from saying “boo hiss” and challenging people’s legal and teaching credentials. The gist of my note was clear: some of your behavior in that thread was kind of obnoxious, so I asked you to stop. Have you stopped to consider the possibility that you’re turning this into a personal thing unnecessarily? One, I think you just violated board policy by revealing the content of a post report. Two, have you considered that you probably would not have moderated anyone else for that, and definitely would not have moderated a lefty for it? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/16 "2013-05-14T16:41:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > **Marley23** has a radical leftist agenda? Well he should post it in that thread if he does. Marley, isn’t ‘boo hiss’ traditional commentary at real debates? It doesn’t contribute much to the argument, but it pretty much just means ‘I disagree’. I understand you only gave a note, but that point may need some clarification for future debates. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/17 "2013-05-14T16:43:28Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > One, I think you just violated board policy by revealing the content of a post report. The post you announced you reported, you mean? > [@](#): > > Two, have you considered that you probably would not have moderated anyone else for that, and definitely would not have moderated a lefty for it? No, because I’ve modded plenty of lefties for irritating or rude behavior. It comes with the territory. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/18 "2013-05-14T16:44:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > And then what–everyone’s forced to put some actual thought and content into their posts? I don’t see this as an apocalyptic vision of the future. It would be nice if everyone did, but I didn’t realize that creating thoughtful posts was an enforced rule around here. If so, I suppose I missed that in the sea of +1s, QFTs, posts by folks who have admittedly not even bothered to read the thread, posts whose sole content is a reference to a 10 year old board meme. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/19 "2013-05-14T16:45:10Z")
He reported me for junior modding for _that_? Is innocuous shit like this is the reason why people claim I “junior moderate”? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/20 "2013-05-14T16:46:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The post you announced you reported, you mean? I didn’t say which post, who posted it, or what I reported it for. You did. And you should not have done that. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321.md?page=2)