# Marley--here we go again. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 14, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321 "2013-05-14T16:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/181 "2013-05-16T19:03:30Z")
Not a fan of Charlie Brown? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/182 "2013-05-16T19:59:29Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > First mod notes are being thrown around like frisbee golf and now the mods are “wah-wah wahing” posters. This place has changed man. I miss the good ol’ days of pixie sticks and hopscotch What, you think Marley is a fucking hall monitor? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/183 "2013-05-16T20:35:30Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Not a fan of Charlie Brown? Actually, I didn’t get it until after I posted. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/184 "2013-05-16T20:35:41Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > The First Amendment objections are blatantly obvious to anyone that has passed high school civics. You assume everyone agrees with your interpretation of the First Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![WhiskeyInACask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WhiskeyInACask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhiskeyInACask)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/185 "2013-05-16T20:51:15Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > You assume everyone agrees with your interpretation of the First Amendment. Well, if they don’t, then they’re obviously stupid. Not really up for debate, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/186 "2013-05-16T20:56:14Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > You assume everyone agrees with your interpretation of the First Amendment. > [@WhiskeyInACask](#): > > Well, if they don’t, then they’re obviously stupid. Not really up for debate, is it? This is the rules forum. If the two of you want to argue with **Oakminster** about the First Amendment, start a thread in Great Debates- or in the Elections thread, although those posts are days old and the conversation has moved on. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/187 "2013-05-16T22:45:31Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > (Posting about it in the original Elections thread would be a hijack.) How would a discussion of whether a proposal violates the First Amendment be a hijack of a thread discussing various proposals for a platform? Can there be no discussion of the merits of a proposal? That seems a ridiculously narrow topic. “Everybody list whatever dumb idea you want, but nobody dare actually talk abut the merits of the idea” Not that I’d necessarily participate. Once I get a completely unwarranted and unjustifiable mod note, I typically abandon the thread it was issued in, as you well know. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/188 "2013-05-16T22:57:33Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > How would a discussion of whether a proposal violates the First Amendment be a hijack of a thread discussing various proposals for a platform? You’re right, the instruction was a little too vague. I’ll tweak it. However I had noticed that you have not posted in that thread in a couple of days, which would make it kind of pointless for **YogSosoth** to respond at this stage. > [@](#): > > Once I get a completely unwarranted and unjustifiable mod note, I typically abandon the thread it was issued in, as you well know. I had no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/189 "2013-05-16T23:28:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I had no idea. You asked me earlier why these things piss me off. That’s a large part of the reason. Once you issue notes/instructions/whatever, I’m pretty much out of the thread. I’m not going to risk an actual warning, so you “win” by using your mod powers to silence an opposing opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/190 "2013-05-16T23:29:47Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You asked me earlier why these things piss me off. That’s a large part of the reason. Once you issue notes/instructions/whatever, I’m pretty much out of the thread. I’m not going to risk an actual warning, so you “win” by using your mod powers to silence an opposing opinion. That’s not me silencing you. That’s you silencing you. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/191 "2013-05-17T01:04:33Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You asked me earlier why these things piss me off. That’s a large part of the reason. Once you issue notes/instructions/whatever, I’m pretty much out of the thread. I’m not going to risk an actual warning, so you “win” by using your mod powers to silence an opposing opinion. I believe the point is to get you to present your opinion in a non-confrontational way rather than to not present your opinion at all. You know who else had trouble with presenting opinions in a non-confrontational way? **Collunsbury** , and you’re coming off as a passive-aggressive version here. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/192 "2013-05-17T02:32:11Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I had no idea. To be fair you didn’t think the mod note was “unwarranted and unjustifiable.” ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/193 "2013-05-17T02:33:23Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Would you say either of them are liberals? (For those playing at home: they are nothing of the kind, which is obvious if you read their posts in that thread or pretty much any politics thread they post in.) > [@What Would Your Ideal Political Party Platform Be?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-ideal-political-party-platform-be/658213/49): > > This is why in the last few months, I have shifted my support and sympathies by and large to the Democrats. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/194 "2013-05-17T03:49:40Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > 🆒 Oak, supporting Democrats hardly means one is a liberal. Quin is lots of things, but he’s no liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/195 "2013-05-17T14:33:24Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Oak, supporting Democrats hardly means one is a liberal. > > Quin is lots of things, but he’s no liberal. Nor is **WillFarnaby**. _Still._ This is my last post on this subject, since I probably should’ve quit two or three pages ago: the mod note was intended to discourage the “boo hiss” and credential commentary, which struck me as obnoxious. They were snide and likely to take the thread in a more personal direction (noting that **silenus** later said he was not bothered by the question he was asked). They were not intended to stop **Oakminster** from posting in the thread, nor did I expect that would be the result. I had no clue that was **Oakminster** ’s process, and it’s an entirely unnecessary reaction to mod notes. Unless I say “stop posting in this thread,” which I rarely do, mod notes or warnings are never intended to get a poster to stop posting in a thread. I write them to get posters to stop specific behaviors and I already described what that behavior was and why I instructed **Oakminster** to stop, and I felt I was pretty generous in saying only the “boo hiss” and the teacher/Con Law stuff needed to stop and not addressing two-word rejoinders like “First Amendment/First Amendment.” I actually tried to go out of my way to say "you can continue to participate here, but stop saying things like “Boo hiss.” **Oakminster** has been here for years with no warnings and isn’t the type to ignore mod instructions in general; if he continued posting in threads after getting mod notes, I expect he’d still wouldn’t have any warnings because he’d pay attention to the text of the mod notes. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/196 "2013-05-17T17:31:22Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is my last post on this subject Aw, come on. I was figuring that if this tempest got any bigger I could take the teapot around to carnivals and charge two bucks a head to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/197 "2013-05-17T17:59:30Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > Aw, come on. I was figuring that if this tempest got any bigger I could take the teapot around to carnivals and charge two bucks a head to see it. Not a dollar and a half? Oh, wait, that’s trees. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/198 "2013-05-17T18:24:42Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Not a dollar and a half? > > Oh, wait, that’s trees. And you have to have paved paradise first, too. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2013, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/199 "2013-05-18T08:09:59Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is my last post on this subject, since I probably should’ve quit two or three pages ago: the mod note was intended to discourage the “boo hiss” and credential commentary, which struck me as obnoxious. They were snide and likely to take the thread in a more personal direction (noting that **silenus** later said he was not bothered by the question he was asked). They were not intended to stop **Oakminster** from posting in the thread, nor did I expect that would be the result. I had no clue that was **Oakminster** ’s process, and it’s an entirely unnecessary reaction to mod notes. Unless I say “stop posting in this thread,” which I rarely do, mod notes or warnings are never intended to get a poster to stop posting in a thread. I write them to get posters to stop specific behaviors and I already described what that behavior was and why I instructed **Oakminster** to stop, and I felt I was pretty generous in saying only the “boo hiss” and the teacher/Con Law stuff needed to stop and not addressing two-word rejoinders like “First Amendment/First Amendment.” I actually tried to go out of my way to say "you can continue to participate here, but stop saying things like “Boo hiss.” **Oakminster** has been here for years with no warnings and isn’t the type to ignore mod instructions in general; if he continued posting in threads after getting mod notes, I expect he’d still wouldn’t have any warnings because he’d pay attention to the text of the mod notes. Harrumph. I still disagree with the notes being given, but I’ll accept the explanation for the motivation at face value, and I appreciate the kind words at the end. I am many things. One of those things is man enough to apologize when I’ve been an asshole. And I have been an asshole to you lately. I’m sorry, **Marley.** ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2013, 8:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/200 "2013-05-18T08:32:26Z")
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