# Marley--here we go again. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 14, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321 "2013-05-14T16:00:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/161 "2013-05-16T02:06:48Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > “Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.” Hmmm… perhaps I should rethink my post. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/162 "2013-05-16T03:19:44Z")
I grew up in the shadow of Gotham. I assume that strangers probably want to mug me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/163 "2013-05-16T04:19:55Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Similarly, I’ll be honest and admit that I’m more than a little disturbed that people seem vastly more concerned about Der Trihs’ statements about Americans, right-wingers, Republicans etc. more than his statements about women. That being said, I’ll freely admit that I understand why many would disagree with my finding his comments about women far worse than his comments about others, to the point I’ll admit that in my question of Marley I only included Christians and Conservatives in the post to avoid having to deal with people demanding why I didn’t include them. I think there are a couple of things going on. Der will on occasion lambast Christians for their treatment of women. And his attacks on certain feminist outlooks are generally more substantive than his attacks on other groups. Here’s a test. When you see an objectionable post, ask yourself “How could the poster have expressed that while staying within the bounds of the rules?” If the answer is straightforward, then the poster may be modded. If the poster intention was pure insult, then they belonged in the pit. But racist arguments are permitted here following principles of academic freedom. So are frankly paranoid arguments by those who fear false accusations of rape. It would be hard to mod these last 2 without putting a lid on substantive argument. From my admittedly selfish perspective, I don’t mind see the occasional one trick bigot receive the Straight Dope smackdown. [1] But Der is really in a separate category. [1] … and I readily concede that I probably wouldn’t feel so lackadaisical if I had to shoulder the abuse and insult minorities routinely receive in the US, IHMO. Along those lines, I find much of your commentary worth reading. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/164 "2013-05-16T04:44:21Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I think there are a couple of things going on. Der will on occasion lambast Christians for their treatment of women. And his attacks on certain feminist outlooks are generally more substantive than his attacks on other groups. I can see where you’re coming from but to claim, as he has claimed, that most American women think all men are monsters and potential rapists goes well, well beyond criticizing “certain feminist outlooks”. Let me note, that I don’t mean to suggest that your or any of Der’s defenders agree with him on those attitudes or even think they’re morally acceptable. > [@](#): > > But racist arguments are permitted here following principles of academic freedom. So are frankly paranoid arguments by those who fear false accusations of rape. It would be hard to mod these last 2 without putting a lid on substantive argument. I respectfully disagree but I can certainly understand why the mods take the position they do and it’s there job to uphold the board rules not just the board rules they agree with. > [@](#): > > [1] … and I readily concede that I probably wouldn’t feel so lackadaisical if I had to shoulder the abuse and insult minorities routinely receive in the US, IHMO. Don’t worry, that’s true, to differing degrees of everyone. It’s what makes us human. > [@](#): > > Along those lines, I find much of your commentary worth reading. Thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/165 "2013-05-16T07:35:28Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Similarly, I’ll be honest and admit that I’m more than a little disturbed that people seem vastly more concerned about Der Trihs’ statements about Americans, right-wingers, Republicans etc. more than his statements about women. For me, it’s because his views on women aren’t as one-sided as you seem to think. Yes, he has a little bit of a paranoid MRA thing going when it comes to sex (and divorce, IIRC) BUT he’s also pro-choice partly from a women’s rights stance, he’s against sexism, etc, etc. I’d characterise him as a anti-sexist by inclination/ideology who has unfortunately bought in to the MRA feminazi bullshit in some aspects. Which is sad, really. The “tape all sexual encounters” thing is particularly so. Guy has trust issues. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/166 "2013-05-16T14:27:53Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Unless you happen to be me and/or conservative, in which case you’ll get randomly modded for no justifiable reason I’ve justified what I did at much more length than it required, considering. And again I point to **WillFarnaby** / **Qin Shi Huangdi** ’s posts in that thread. \*\*Qin Shi \*\* examples from that thread. Plenty of posters said things I don’t personally agree with; only you felt the need to post a bunch of stuff like “boo hiss” and attack people’s legal or teaching credentials. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/167 "2013-05-16T16:18:26Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Plenty of posters said things I don’t personally agree with; only you felt the need to post a bunch of stuff like “boo hiss” and attack people’s legal or teaching credentials. One post containing the phrase “boo hiss” a couple of times does not constitute “a bunch of stuff”, and I did not attack anyone’s credentials. I asked one poster if he remembered something that is commonly covered in a 1L con law class. Maybe he doesn’t, particularly if he doesn’t practice in that area. I asked another poster if he taught civics. That does not constitute an attack on his credentials. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/168 "2013-05-16T16:22:52Z")
Your innocent face isn’t working. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/169 "2013-05-16T16:25:53Z")
“Sir, when I inquired as to whether you had shit for brains, it was out of a mixture of legitimate curiosity and honest concern for your health.” ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/170 "2013-05-16T16:30:03Z")
Fuck’s sake, just give it up. Making a thread personal and implying that someone’s bad at their job/a fraud is over the line outside of the Pit. Just suck it up and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/171 "2013-05-16T16:40:17Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > One post containing the phrase “boo hiss” a couple of times does not constitute “a bunch of stuff” We’ve been over this a couple of times already. > [@](#): > > I did not attack anyone’s credentials. I asked one poster if he remembered something that is commonly covered in a 1L con law class. Maybe he doesn’t, particularly if he doesn’t practice in that area. The actual quote: > [@What Would Your Ideal Political Party Platform Be?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-ideal-political-party-platform-be/658213/16): > > And you’ve still got a little problem under the “takings clause”. You do remember that from Con Law I, right? Hint: newspapers don’t require broadcast licenses. > [@Oakminster](#): > > I asked another poster if he taught civics. Full post: > [@What Would Your Ideal Political Party Platform Be?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-would-your-ideal-political-party-platform-be/658213/31): > > First Amendment–unless you repeal all charitable exemptions. > > First Amendment > > Boo Hiss > > Boo hiss > > Not horrible, but may have significant unpleasant consequences in some instances. > > Not sure what you mean exactly, but appears to pretty much eliminate the point of incorporating. > > First Amendment > > First Amendment. Some length of prohibition is acceptable, and I think even exists today, though I am not certain. 20 years is just too long and unlikely to survive a challenge. > > First, Fourth, Fifth, 8th and Fourteenth Amendments. > > Don’t you teach civics? Or did at one time? Perhaps you could recognize that to a third party (meaning me and at least some of the people who’ve posted in this thread) that these comments didn’t sound the way you think they did. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/172 "2013-05-16T16:58:26Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > One post containing the phrase “boo hiss” a couple of times does not constitute “a bunch of stuff” How do you reconcile your post here with Lightnin’s excellent summary of your posts in that thread as mentioned earlier: > [@Lightnin](#): > > The very first response you posted in that thread: > > Your second post: > > Third post: > > Fourth post: > > Sixth post: > > You had six posts in that thread, five of which were combative and dismissive. In only one or two were you actually contributing to the thread. Your posts in that thread were useless and you ought to be ashamed of them instead of complaining about how you got called on making a bunch of useless posts. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/173 "2013-05-16T17:32:58Z")
Not to hijack, but I think that a simple mod note against telling a poster “Boo Hiss” at his proposal may be a good one if it wasn’t so easily circumvented by just insulting a group he belongs to with much stronger vitrol. For example, I say “Boo Hiss” not to your proposal, or any Doper’s proposal, but to a group I call “People Who Disagree with JTGAIN” whose members are a bunch of assholes. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/174 "2013-05-16T17:58:17Z")
Oak, when you’re in a hole, stop digging. And I say that as someone who initially thought moderating “boo hiss” was a bit silly because I assumed anyone using the phrase would be using it as a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/175 "2013-05-16T18:39:04Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Perhaps you could recognize that to a third party (meaning me and at least some of the people who’ve posted in this thread) that these comments didn’t sound the way you think they did. Let me try another analogy. Say the speed limit is 70 MPH. I’m driving along at 65 MPH. Checking my rearview mirror, I see flashing lights, so I pull over. You get out of the squad car, and announce that even though I was not speeding, you think I might speed at some unknown point in the future. And while you’re at it, you observe that my inspection sticker will expire in six months, and you think my turn signal might malfunction sometime. And if I do speed, or drive with an expired inspection sticker, or drive with a burned out turn signal, you will issue me a ticket. And you repeat that behavior every day for weeks or months. You’ve told me nothing I do not already know, accomplished no legitimate law enforcement purpose, and pissed me off in the process. Perhaps you should recognize that those moderator actions don’t sound the way you think they do. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/176 "2013-05-16T18:40:57Z")
Good grief. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/177 "2013-05-16T18:45:16Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > You’ve told me nothing I do not already know, accomplished no legitimate law enforcement purpose, and pissed me off in the process. The police comparison doesn’t mean very much since moderators don’t do the same thing police do. The police do a job that’s pretty strictly bound by laws and the Constitution; we enforce the board rules but also do a more general job of trying to keep discussions going. However this does raise a relevant question: why does even a minor mod note piss you off so grievously? It’s not worth a hundredth of the outrage. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Good grief. [Modding] Wah wah-wah wah wah wah. [/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/178 "2013-05-16T18:45:25Z")
Threads like this actually make me very sympathetic to the mods. Oak, seriously, just drop it. Whether you’re in the right or not you’ve past the point at which you’re going to be able to convince others of your point. Beyond that, next time I’d recommend using a PM if you have an issue with a ruling he made regarding you. That’s what I’ve done. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/179 "2013-05-16T18:46:02Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Let me try another analogy. Say the speed limit is 70 MPH. I’m driving along at 65 MPH. Checking my rearview mirror, I see flashing lights, so I pull over. You get out of the squad car, and announce that even though I was not speeding, you think I might speed at some unknown point in the future. And while you’re at it, you observe that my inspection sticker will expire in six months, and you think my turn signal might malfunction sometime. And if I do speed, or drive with an expired inspection sticker, or drive with a burned out turn signal, you will issue me a ticket. And you repeat that behavior every day for weeks or months. You’ve told me nothing I do not already know, accomplished no legitimate law enforcement purpose, and pissed me off in the process. > > Perhaps you should recognize that those moderator actions don’t sound the way you think they do. One of these days you might have a legitimate beef against a moderator, and nobody is going to listen to you because of too many complaints like this. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321/180 "2013-05-16T18:59:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [Modding] > > Wah wah-wah wah wah wah. > > [/Modding] First mod notes are being thrown around like frisbee golf and now the mods are “wah-wah wahing” posters. This place has changed man. I miss the good ol’ days of pixie sticks and hopscotch [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-here-we-go-again/658321.md?page=10)