# Marley, you're an embarrassment **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 27, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558 "2011-07-27T23:52:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/1 "2011-07-27T23:52:20Z")
Just make a sticky: The special rules for Israel and Jews and be done with it. I know, I know: First rule, you don’t talk about the special rules for Israel and Jews. Work something out. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/2 "2011-07-27T23:58:00Z")
[More of the same?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=617322) ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/3 "2011-07-28T00:03:00Z")
Well fair’s fair. And it is not like it was even a little bit difficult to gather the evidence to convince rational people. So I did. See [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=617668&page=2). But good heavens, it’s only a message board people. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/4 "2011-07-28T00:44:21Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Well fair’s fair. > > And it is not like it was even a little bit difficult to gather the evidence to convince rational people. So I did. See [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=617668&page=2). But good heavens, it’s only a message board people. Whiffed again. Skimming through that mess of a thread, I see two instances of \*\*Marley \*\*moderating: > [@Why do the Israelis build settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-the-israelis-build-settlements/590273/141): > > Of course he wasn’t really making that case. There is not an iota of integrity in **Airman** ’s post. He dutifully gave the stock right-wing phrasing and moved on. As they do. It is about demonstrating support, not soundly made argument. > [@Why do the Israelis build settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-the-israelis-build-settlements/590273/145): > > This is an attack on **Airman Doors, USAF** as a person rather than a rebuttal of anything he said. Stick to commenting on the arguments rather than the people making them. And > [@Why do the Israelis build settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-the-israelis-build-settlements/590273/127): > > Alessan’s a real gem. > [@Why do the Israelis build settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-the-israelis-build-settlements/590273/129): > > Somehow I don’t think this was intended to be a compliment. Knock it off or take it to The BBQ Pit. Both for the basically the same type of conduct, both could have been treated more formally than what amounts to a “knock it off” instruction. If I were to fault **Marley** for anything, it would be for being too tolerant of your repeated incivility. I think you deserve a formal warning, as you have a history of this type of behavior. TL;DR–\*\*Marley \*\*did nothing wrong, bogus complaint by OP. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/5 "2011-07-28T01:20:38Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Just make a sticky: The special rules for Israel and Jews and be done with it. > > I know, I know: First rule, you don’t talk about the special rules for Israel and Jews. Work something out. So **Marley23** ’s moderating is an embarrassment, because you believe that these two mod notes saying to knock off personal insults or take them to the Pit are part of a Zionist conspiracy? :dubious: Sounds like a bunch of foilishtik to me. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/6 "2011-07-28T01:36:39Z")
Somebody’s tuchus-hurt! ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/7 "2011-07-28T01:41:39Z")
Second verse same as the first. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/8 "2011-07-28T02:43:54Z")
Holy crap. I’ve seen a lot of silly complaining about mods, but this has to be the worst ever. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/9 "2011-07-28T02:45:23Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Holy crap. I’ve seen a lot of silly complaining about mods, but this has to be the worst ever. I agree, it’s a shanda. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/10 "2011-07-28T03:16:44Z")
I’ve given the mods grief in the past, so I’ll just chime in to say that I agree with everyone who’s posted to this thread but the OP. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/11 "2011-07-28T03:47:02Z")
It was Tom [who told him to quit with a particular sort of mass-murder fantasy, or his posting privileges would be under review.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14072759&postcount=171) All in all he got off light. He’s had at least one Final Warning for anti-Semitic comments, IIRC. Or perhaps it was for trolling Jews, I’m not positive on the context. Even then, he’s adopted a new tactic in GD of saying that the Jews are sub-human in some respect or another,[but then claiming that it’s not his idea, why, it’s other people’s.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14072220&postcount=146) After all, if they were thought of as fully-human adults, then everybody would agree with Sev that the they should be murdered. But the fact that they disagree with him shows that it’s them, not him, who thinks that they’re sub-humans who can’t be held responsible for their behavior because, well, they’re Jews and what can we expect from them? Bonus points, of course, for his repeated refrain (this time without the phrase “evil cult”) where he states that Jews are actually required to support Israel and/or fantasizes about an end to Judaism. This time, he somehow morphs 9/11 into an attempt to advertise the hidden evils of Judaism. > [@Why do the Israelis build settlements?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-do-the-israelis-build-settlements/590273/146): > > Similarly a short time ago several men with hatred in their hearts conceived of a plot to advertise that Judaism requires its adherents to support Israel. By and large it has caught on and may become the epidemic that sinks Judaism. You can see some of it here. This, by the way, from the fellow who has in the past opined that wishing for the elimination of Judaism _by fire, down to the very last torah_, is perfectly understandable. Whoops, spoke too soon. [Pith](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14072949&postcount=175) has taken note of that bit too. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/12 "2011-07-28T06:11:47Z")
The note you got from me was about a post that was solely about **Airman Doors, USAF**. You didn’t mention Jews or Israel in that post (although the thread is about Israel, obviously). I did not think **DSeid** ’s post required a response from me, and unlike you, he did address the topic instead of just insulting someone. As far as **tomndebb** ’s admonition goes, I would have said the same thing he did. **Sevastopol** , your last couple of posts in that thread are very similar to the posts that led to your recent suspension. If you continue posting like that, you’re almost certain to get banned. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/13 "2011-07-28T06:27:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > The note you got from me was about a post that was solely about **Airman Doors, USAF**. Not to quibble, but as Sevastopol has stated that the Jews/Israel control the US’s foreign policy and that Jews in America who support Israel do so because their “evil cult” demands it, and they don’t even believe what they say but that there is a contest among them to deliberately say outrageously false things simply in order to show their allegiance to their “evil cult”… After all, that’s essentially what he was accusing **Doors** of, parroting talking points that he didn’t believe in but had to show allegiance to. That’s the whole ‘no integrity’, ‘showing support’ bit. With that in mind, it should be clear as to why he feels that you were trying to shut down his criticism of Israel/Jews and why there needs to be a special sticky about such a policy. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/14 "2011-07-28T06:41:57Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Not to quibble, but as Sevastopol has stated that the Jews/Israel control the US’s foreign policy and that Jews in America who support Israel do so because their “evil cult” demands it, and they don’t even believe what they say but that there is a contest among them to deliberately say outrageously false things simply in order to show their allegiance to their “evil cult”… > After all, that’s essentially what he was accusing **Doors** of, parroting talking points that he didn’t believe in but had to show allegiance to. That’s the whole ‘no integrity’, ‘showing support’ bit. > > With that in mind, it should be clear as to why he feels that you were trying to shut down his criticism of Israel/Jews and why there needs to be a special sticky about such a policy. I stated that Israel has long had a “land for peace” policy and that I believed they would do the same for the Palestinians should they choose to actually, you know, agree to peace. There’s nothing to defend, nothing else to say. It was over. This must be one of those “if you don’t stay and let us beat on you every time you post you’re a coward and lose the thread” things. Whatever. Two pages later it has devolved into the usual insults, so it looks like I got out when the going was good. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/15 "2011-07-28T07:40:35Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > This must be one of those “if you don’t stay and let us beat on you every time you post you’re a coward and lose the thread” things. Nope. It’s that you took a position which wasn’t that the state of Israel is evil, needs to be eliminated, its citizens (aka “looters”) murdered and the Jewish religion destroyed. That shows, in Sevastopol’s argument, that you’re a Zionist patsy at best. I don’t even think he knows that your wife is a Jew… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/16 "2011-07-28T09:03:22Z")
Well, that’s two embarrassment mods according to the OP (tomndebb was last week), so I look forward to him working his way through the entire staff, climaxing with Ed Zotti. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/17 "2011-07-28T09:11:04Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > climaxing with Ed Zotti. Wasn’t that a soft-core ‘adult’ talk show in the '70s? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/18 "2011-07-28T09:49:38Z")
Yes, it came on right after _Dorothy Stratten’s Shower Talk_. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/19 "2011-07-28T11:41:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > All in all he got off light. He’s had at least one Final Warning for anti-Semitic comments, IIRC. Or perhaps it was for trolling Jews, I’m not positive on the context. It was something about wanting Tel Aviv(?) nuked and any surviving Jews pushed into the sea. I don’t know why he just doesn’t join Stormfront and be done with it. He’s not an anti-Zionist except as cover for his Jew-hatred. Marley’s note was 99% correct, except (IMO) it didn’t go far enough. The op has been racking up warnings for _years_ and IMO, it’s time to let the hammer fall. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558/20 "2011-07-28T12:15:18Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > Second verse same as the first. I’m Sevastopol the eighth, I am, Sevastopol the eighth, I am, I am, I’ve complained about the mods next door, They’ve protected Jews a bunch of times before, And every time’s an embarrasment “barrasment!” They’d not protect an England or a France “not France!” It’s the eighth time I’ve stood up to them, Sevastopol the eighth I am. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-an-embarrassment/590558.md?page=2)