# Marley, you're letting your opinions and interactions as a poster influence your modding. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 5, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312 "2010-08-05T18:59:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/21 "2010-08-05T20:30:42Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Here, **Marley** gave you every chance in the world to just let it drop. You refused to do that, so he threw the flag for unsportsmanlike conduct. Instant replay shows that to be a good call. You must be going soft. 😉 > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > The initial call on my ass-licking comment was a reasonable one, but he went and spoilt it by getting personal himself - albeit in the “I’m aiming it at his comment, not his person” stylee that seems to be acceptable - in his very next line. I don’t think calling that comment childish was out of line. From what I’ve seen, people prefer if I try to be specific and explain what the problem is. I didn’t call the statement moronic until you offered a very silly defense. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/22 "2010-08-05T20:35:21Z")
It wasn’t childish, it was a statement of fact, albeit stated rather vulgarly. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/23 "2010-08-05T20:39:09Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > It wasn’t childish, it was a statement of fact, albeit stated rather vulgarly. Please point to the verifiable “fact” in the following quote that you’re referring to: > [@](#): > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. “If”, “might” and “likely” aren’t words typically used in a “statement of fact”. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/24 "2010-08-05T20:39:31Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > No, **Lute**. You are attempting to make a point, so lay it out now. _Without_ games. I’m just asking questions and have zero interest in playing games. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/25 "2010-08-05T20:43:17Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > It wasn’t childish, it was a statement of fact, albeit stated rather vulgarly. > > Please point to the verifiable “fact” in the following quote that you’re referring to: > > > [@](#): > > > > If some of you would remove your tongue from Obama’s ass a moment, you might just get enough light to see that if the shoe was on the other foot and you were Republican’s - forgive the ridiculous suggestion! - you would likely be reacting in a similar way. > > “If”, “might” and “likely” aren’t words typically used in a “statement of fact”. The statement of fact is that some people - people right here on this board! - luuuuuurrrrrrve Obama. 😛 Now, that was childish, but it was still a statement of fact, was it not? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/26 "2010-08-05T20:44:18Z")
It read like the transcript of a sixth-grade classroom, in which a class clown sasses back to the teacher until he’s ordered to the principal’s office and then immediately begins howling “what did I _do_?” ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/27 "2010-08-05T20:47:08Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > No, **Lute**. You are attempting to make a point, so lay it out now. > > _Without_ games. I’m just asking questions and have zero interest in playing games. Erm…my comment was a baseball metaphor, and you’re not interested in playing games? Perhaps you wouldn’t understand my explanation anyway? Oh, to hell with it… I’ll spell it out for you and anyone else who is curious — What was the question again? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/28 "2010-08-05T20:50:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > You must be going soft. 😉 Yeah well, vigilante justice ain’t what it used to be. Do you have any idea how much paperwork it takes to but together an unruly mob these days? You gotta get a parade permit, then you have to pay a fire marshal to supervise the torches, and cops to secure the route, and insurance, and then part of the mob is gonna bitch about not using environmentally friendly pitchforks, and then you have to pay for the clean up…it’s really a hassle. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/29 "2010-08-05T20:59:40Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > > > _Without_ games. I’m just asking questions and have zero interest in playing games. > > Erm…my comment was a baseball metaphor, and you’re not interested in playing games? Perhaps you wouldn’t understand my explanation anyway? Oh, to hell with it… I’ll spell it out for you and anyone else who is curious — What was the question again? How about [why not assume every single thing **ivan astikov** posts is a joke](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12768927&postcount=55)? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/30 "2010-08-05T21:01:40Z")
If that makes you happy, assume away. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/31 "2010-08-05T21:01:51Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > > [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > > Erm…my comment was a baseball metaphor, and you’re not interested in playing games? Perhaps you wouldn’t understand my explanation anyway? Oh, to hell with it… I’ll spell it out for you and anyone else who is curious — What was the question again? > > How about [why not assume every single thing **ivan astikov** posts is a joke](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12768927&postcount=55)? Damn-you beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/32 "2010-08-05T21:09:47Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > It wasn’t childish, it was a statement of fact, albeit stated rather vulgarly. “But it’s true!” does not work as a defense for insults. And yes, Obama is still pretty popular here, but that isn’t a response to the facts of the case being discussed. Your didn’t say Obama is popular. You chose to make a much more insulting comment that meant “you people are too thoughtlessly devoted to Obama to think about this situation objectively.” ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/33 "2010-08-05T21:11:24Z")
Thanks, Marley, for the cites. Judge’s opinion: no foul on Marley. **ivan astikov** said: > [@](#): > > It’s called “straight-talkin’” where I come from. Since when did “straight-talkin’” come to mean “using graphic metaphors”? **ivan astikov** said: > [@](#): > > I’ll let you decide for yourselves on that one. Judge’s ruling: aimed at post, not poster. So “not”. > [@](#): > > Still doesn’t address you getting all personal on my ass. At least he wasn’t using his tongue. **Oakminster** said: > [@](#): > > Dude, you do not get support when you’re in the wrong. I call em like I see em. Almost every mod here has been on the receiving end of my displeasure at one time or another, but when they get it right, I acknowledge that, too. Yeah, Oak, I admit you have been vocal in supporting mods when you think they are right, not just calling them out when you think they are wrong. **ivan astikov** said: > [@](#): > > It wasn’t childish, it was a statement of fact, albeit stated rather vulgarly. So where are the pictures? Wait, nevermind, I do **not** wish to see pictures of people’s tongues up Obama’s ass. Or Obama’s ass without tongues. It’s not a statement of fact, it’s a fucking metaphor (well, a licking metaphor, anyway). What are you trying so say? That people are too busy trying to flatter Obama to see what he’s doing, or something? (I don’t know why people would be trying to flatter Obama on a website he’s probably never heard of. How’s that going to do them any good?) ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/34 "2010-08-05T21:22:32Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Erm…my comment was a baseball metaphor **“A metaphor is an analogy between two objects or ideas; the analogy is conveyed by the use of a metaphorical word in place of some other word”** What is it a metaphor off? What is the other side of your analogy? . . . . . (As if I expect a straight answer…) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/35 "2010-08-05T22:12:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > > > How about [why not assume every single thing **ivan astikov** posts is a joke](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12768927&postcount=55)? > > Damn-you beat me to it. I propose a new acronym: DNFia. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2010, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/36 "2010-08-06T00:13:27Z")
Should anal tongue reaming (tongueual anus reaming? 😕) become a common form of moderation, we should all breath a [del]large[/del] lengthy sigh of relief that **Giraffe** is retired! :eek: 😃 CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2010, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/37 "2010-08-06T00:20:00Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > The statement of fact is that some people - people right here on this board! - luuuuuurrrrrrve Obama. 😛 Now, that was childish, but it was still a statement of fact, was it not? That’s not the statement you made. But you know that, and are now just simply being as belligerent as possible to see how far you can take it. ---
**Author:** ![Garfield226](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Garfield226](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garfield226)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/38 "2010-08-06T00:51:32Z")
Frankly, I don’t particularly care what happened with ivan at all (except that it showed you were acting in your capacity as moderator in the thread too). What I noticed was more the potshots at the birthers that were ignored. This is (or used to be, or should be) a place to debate ideas and beliefs. We have a place to attack other people, and that isn’t it. [ > [@Silenus](#): > > We don’t have to prove a thing. You are the one questioning reality. It’s up to you to prove things. You’ve got nothing, and will keep blathering until someone pays attention to your cry-baby whining. I suggest calling your mom. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12755733&postcount=166](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12755733&postcount=166) )[ > [@CannyDan](#): > > Oohh! I get to be first? > > TLDR > > Also too ridiculous. It’s a two-fer! ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12756482&postcount=194](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12756482&postcount=194)) (unsure about this one, but I thought TLDR was scorned in GD) [ > [@Cinebar](#): > > But, you know what? None of the obvious proof matters. The crazies will try to twist the words around that “certificate of live birth” is not the same as “birth certificate”…blah, blah, blah. Well, mine says “certificate of live birth” and it also states it is a legal document, binding in any court proceeding. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12756681&postcount=219](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12756681&postcount=219))[ > [@Frank](#): > > Are you delusional? ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12756995&postcount=243](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12756995&postcount=243))[ > [@Silenus](#): > > At this point? He’s looked silly since the beginning, as have all of the Birthers. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12759048&postcount=283](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12759048&postcount=283))[ > [@Lobohan](#): > > Members of the stupid public will believe that Obama isn’t an American citizen, that much is certain. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12759390&postcount=297](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12759390&postcount=297))[ > [@Silenus](#): > > Why himself, of course. He’s the only person here that believes his blather. Except Susanann, who is probably just another of the voices in his head. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12759908&postcount=320](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12759908&postcount=320))[ > [@gonzomax](#): > > Yes ,but Don 123 took Birther 101 at Liberty College. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12761193&postcount=354](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12761193&postcount=354)) (note: most/all of those posts had more to them, but I don’t think I’ve taken anything out of context so much as to change their meaning. If I have, I apologize in advance – frankly I got tired of rereading the thread after the first couple pages) – [ > [@Silenus](#): > > Can the Moderators just give these lunatics a custom label (like “Racist Moron” or something similar) when it becomes obvious what they are? It would save a whole lot of skimming. ]([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12763065&postcount=418](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12763065&postcount=418)) Of course, that got a note with a [literal](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12763246&postcount=425) wink wink, nudge nudge, so I guess that balances. I’m not saying “This was a terrible job of moderating and you should step down immediately!” I’m saying that letting these zings go by, interspersed with your posts-as-poster, and then smacking ivan down in 15 minutes, or the frequent correcting of Don’s copyright infringement, seems a little one-sided. And not even so much that you were trying to advantage your side by deliberately letting things slide, more that maybe some posts unconsciously get a little more leeway or get interpreted a little more favorably. Everybody does it, most of us don’t have any weight behind it when we do (or don’t, as the case may be). Though I notice upon closer reading that **Tom** posted as a mod in there too, so maybe he looked at the stuff and decided it wasn’t a problem. I don’t know. Just a thought I had while reading the thread earlier. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/39 "2010-08-06T01:26:29Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > [@Marley23](#): > > > > And where I come from it’s called insulting and moronic. > > This right here is the important bit of that exchange. I made a remark from a personal perspective regarding **a group** , none of whom were named specifically. Now, is **Marley23’s** response a personal perspective aimed at a specific individual, or not? > > I’ll let you decide for yourselves on that one. He called you a moron, and outside of the pit, no less. But he can do that. Because he’s a mod. And mods are _verrrrrrrry_ special people! ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312/40 "2010-08-06T01:28:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > And you said something about them that was more appropriate for the Pit than Great Debates As you did, too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley-youre-letting-your-opinions-and-interactions-as-a-poster-influence-your-modding/549312.md?page=3)