# Marley23, A minute of your time please. (mild) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415 "2008-08-27T13:56:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/21 "2008-08-27T17:02:23Z")
A full-on formal warning isn’t exactly a wrist-slap. I expect someone with a lack of problematic history that said one of your hypotheticals would likewise have received a warning, not an instant ban. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/22 "2008-08-27T17:07:11Z")
[QUOTE=Acid Lamp] So confessions are only allowed so long as they aren’t controversial, or disturbing to some. I’ll keep that in mind. [/QUOTE] Course, you’re always free to try [here](http://bp3.blogger.com/_ICCoEC9hSwc/RfRE-Bz9e-I/AAAAAAAABCs/q6iYfgSHDfE/s400/Saint+Anthony+of+Padua+Church,+in+Saint+Louis,+Missouri+-+confessional.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/23 "2008-08-27T17:07:33Z")
That’s actually about as harsh a warning as I’ve given anybody, but maybe I just haven’t discovered my inner **manhattan**. But I think I treated the comment as comparable to the kind of hate speech you’re talking about, **xtisme**. It wouldn’t have earned a banning unless it happened repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/24 "2008-08-27T17:11:11Z")
I do find it surprising that **Acid Lamp** really thinks there’s a defense for saying he’d murder a bunch of people if he could get away with it. In the Pit, it would have been flamed but others would have dismissed it as hyperbole. But saying that in MPSIMS, apparenltly with a straight face? Not gonna happen. He imagined some kind of protection because of the nature of the thread, but that didn’t mean it actually existed. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/25 "2008-08-27T17:14:00Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] \ Still, airing one’s dirty laundry in public is a gamble at the best of times. [/QUOTE] Didn’t want to let this bit of wisdom get lost in the general kerfuffle of this thread. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/26 "2008-08-27T17:17:35Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] That’s actually about as harsh a warning as I’ve given anybody, but maybe I just haven’t discovered my inner manhattan. But I think I treated the comment as comparable to the kind of hate speech you’re talking about, xtisme. It wouldn’t have earned a banning unless it happened repeatedly. [/QUOTE] Don’t get me wrong Marley23…I think you guys all do a good job considering the resources you have and your princely salaries for doing such a nasty job. And I’m not saying I completely agree with the persecution complex some have here. I’m just saying I can see WHY some folks feel the way they do. Hell, from time to time I get a bit tired of being called a ‘conservative’…especially since I know the posters in question are tossing that out as an insult. The fact that I don’t consider myself a conservative is secondary to the fact I can see that it’s a backdoor way to toss out an insult and have it not only fly under the radar of the Mods but also score approval points from the board faithful. I will say that ‘confession’ or no ‘confession’ it’s pretty serious when someone makes a comment like that made by the OP…and whether or not you (in the general sense) like or dislike the targeted group one should not put up with that kind of trash. This has nothing to do with your warning…but should effect how other POSTERS respond, especially when the moron in question then comes to the Pit to whine about why s/he got spanked. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/27 "2008-08-27T17:17:41Z")
All I read is ‘violent fantasy.’ In the context of the thread, I don’t see anything wrong with it (the admission. As for the fantasy itself– open to interpretation…) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/28 "2008-08-27T17:24:28Z")
[QUOTE=Bosstone] A full-on formal warning isn’t exactly a wrist-slap. I expect someone with a lack of problematic history that said one of your hypotheticals would likewise have received a warning, not an instant ban. [/QUOTE] If I said I wanted to gas a bunch of Jews because they were Jews (with the implication that I hate them because they are Jews and they deserve, to my twisted mind, gassing), and then came to the Pit to ask why I got a warning…what do you suppose the effect would be? How would I be received? Do you feel I would get the same level of scorn, derision and flame that the OP has received thus far here? I agree that the Mod in question gave about as heavy a warning as could be given without banning. I also agree that if, say, I, mild mannered poster I am, decided to go off the reservation and express my deep seated desire and fantasy to whack a bunch of Inuit for fun and profit, I would probably receive a warning and not an outright banning for my troubles. But I doubt I would receive the same level of flame were I unwise enough to start such a stupid tread in the Pit about it. Hell, I’ve received more flame when I’ve Pitted other posters for saying what I felt was stupid shit…let alone something like this. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/29 "2008-08-27T17:26:41Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] Don’t get me wrong Marley23…I think you guys all do a good job considering the resources you have and your princely salaries for doing such a nasty job. And I’m not saying I completely agree with the persecution complex some have here. I’m just saying I can see WHY some folks feel the way they do. [/QUOTE] I can, too. I don’t think there’s an overall bias, but I know there are plenty of vocally nonreligious people here and that includes a subset who are/can be hostile to religion. I’m interested to see how this evolves as the board goes F2P, because there’s no way to know how the membership will change. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/30 "2008-08-27T17:34:50Z")
[QUOTE=Cat Fight] All I read is ‘violent fantasy.’ In the context of the thread, I don’t see anything wrong with it (the admission. As for the fantasy itself– open to interpretation…) [/QUOTE] “Violent fantasy”? He admited fantasing about gassing human beings to death like vermin. That’s straight-out no joke Nazi level fantasing there. ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/31 "2008-08-27T20:01:28Z")
I think I was fairly clear in which subset of Christians I was addressing in that post. > [@](#): > > crazy bible thumping, megachurch, hands in the air singing along, creationist, quiverfull type Christians The jesus camp people. The “god warriors”. I didn’t say anything about christians in general, nor did I say that i wanted to off them because of their faith. I apply that same level of venom to anyone who decides to wallow in ignorance and bigotry. They aren’t any better than any other radical group who wants to instill their dogma as law, and frankly, I have little use for them as human beings. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/32 "2008-08-27T20:11:15Z")
One can always make excuses to dehumanize some subset of any group because you don’t like them or don’t believe in what they believe in (or don’t like the color of their skin, their culture, their mores, their smell, or whatever else ticks you off about them). However, in the end it IS simply a narrow minded excuse, especially if you fantasize about gassing them when they are together. It’s the same mindset that allowed every atrocity that has ever been inflicted by one group of people against another, and it’s sickening when someone like you shows their ugly inner self that way. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/33 "2008-08-27T20:14:08Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] One can always make excuses to dehumanize some subset of any group because you don’t like them or don’t believe in what they believe in (or don’t like the color of their skin, their culture, their mores, their smell, or whatever else ticks you off about them). However, in the end it IS simply a narrow minded excuse, especially if you fantasize about gassing them when they are together. It’s the same mindset that allowed every atrocity that has ever been inflicted by one group of people against another, and it’s sickening when someone like you shows their ugly inner self that way. -XT [/QUOTE] That’s why I’d just as soon the mods DON’T hand out warnings for such things, though. I find it useful to know who is operating with that kind of mindset. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/34 "2008-08-27T20:17:17Z")
[QUOTE=Acid Lamp] I think I was fairly clear in which subset of Christians I was addressing in that post. [/QUOTE] It was. What you’re not grasping is why it doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/35 "2008-08-27T20:29:17Z")
You’re right. I’m not grasping it. If they decided tomorrow to start shooting up abortion clinics, or universities to further their cause, I doubt many people would have a lot of pity for their cause. The fact that they haven’t become yet become violent like other factions doesn’t excuse them from being ideologically comparable. We don’t have a lot of pity for the Taliban or Al-Queda. We didn’t have any real moral issue with killing as many Nazi’s as we could. In many places they are considered a menace to society, separation of church and state, and the general freedoms we enjoy in the west. I fail to see how saying something unpleasant about THIS group is any different from THAT group, other than the fact that THIS group’s faith happens to be socially favored at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/36 "2008-08-27T20:37:10Z")
Serious question…is you stupid or just ignorant? [QUOTE=Acid Lamp] You’re right. I’m not grasping it. If they decided tomorrow to start shooting up abortion clinics, or universities to further their cause, I doubt many people would have a lot of pity for their cause. [/QUOTE] Well, a couple of things here. First off, you are predicating gassing a bunch of people base on something they MIGHT do in the future. Leaving that aside though, do you really think that in any given church you are planning to target the congregation is going to be made up solely of those guilty of this supposed abortion clinic bombing? Have you never BEEN to church? How about all the children? Nits make lice and all that? > [@](#): > > The fact that they haven’t become yet become violent like other factions doesn’t excuse them from being ideologically comparable. The fact that you are obviously either an ignorant moron or a troll doesn’t excuse me from arbitrarily putting a gun to your head and doing humanity a favor either. It’s not MY right to whack you, regardless of how repugnant you are. > [@](#): > > We don’t have a lot of pity for the Taliban or Al-Queda. Leaving aside the fact that we are at war with both those factions and that (attempt) to target the combatants of both, what has this got to do with the price of tea in China? It would be equally repugnant if you stated that you’d like to gas a mosque full of Muslims, even if there were Taliban and/or AQ members inside as well. Again…is you stupid or is you ignorant? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/37 "2008-08-27T20:49:11Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] The fact that you are obviously either an ignorant moron or a troll doesn’t excuse me from arbitrarily putting a gun to your head and doing humanity a favor either. It’s not MY right to whack you, regardless of how repugnant you are. [/QUOTE] I think my time on this board coupled with the wide variety of posts I participate in is enough to refute any accusation of trolling. I disagree with you though, that it’s not your place blah blah blah. We make those calls every day when we are at war. You kill the OTHER guy because he MIGHT kill you. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/38 "2008-08-27T21:00:28Z")
And all those people in this theoretical church of your’s want you dead, ehe? The babies? Children? Etc etc? All of them want you dead? Sounds like you are back peddling quickly on the members of this church in a vain attempt to justify what is pretty much unjustifiable. I’m sure if you keep waving your arms and coming up with additional caveats and addendum’s you will eventually hit on something that works out (in your own mind…and probably a few other folks on this board). -XT ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/39 "2008-08-27T21:24:36Z")
[QUOTE=Acid Lamp] You’re right. I’m not grasping it. If they decided tomorrow to start shooting up abortion clinics, or universities to further their cause, I doubt many people would have a lot of pity for their cause. The fact that they haven’t become yet become violent like other factions doesn’t excuse them from being ideologically comparable. [/QUOTE] But don’t you see: To us, you’re the one fantasizing about mass murder. You’ve become what you claim to oppose. Just because you “haven’t yet become violent” doesn’t make your fantasy less troubling to us. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2008, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415/40 "2008-08-27T21:29:02Z")
[QUOTE=Acid Lamp] I think my time on this board coupled with the wide variety of posts I participate in is enough to refute any accusation of trolling. [/QUOTE] Right. Ignorant moron it is, then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-a-minute-of-your-time-please-mild/461415.md?page=3)