# Marley23, get in here! **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 22, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224 "2009-12-22T19:03:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/1 "2009-12-22T19:03:46Z")
Let’s discuss it _mano y mano_, instead of man to mod. Tell me that this comment > [@Was Europe (1500-1789) a black civilisation?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/was-europe-1500-1789-a-black-civilisation/522194/109): > > That’s because they’re garbage. 😉 from [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11915216&postcount=109), would have been accepted by you if anyone else had said it in GD. Or does the cheeky wink at the end make it permissible? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/2 "2009-12-22T19:08:53Z")
What’s the problem? **Marley23** said the guy’s findings were garbage. That’s attacking the post, and not the poster, as is proper in GD. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/3 "2009-12-22T19:16:22Z")
So, lead by example and attack the post in a manner befitting how you would like to see GD functioning. “Your argument is garbage” is surely not the sort of comment you want from a moderator in GD, is it? If he is so disinterested that he can’t offer a more substantial rebuttal, he should have kept his nose out. If he’d said "Your argument is garbage and here is why… ", I’d have had nothing to complain about, and when I mentioned it, he should have replied, “I know, it was bad form.”, but instead he had to go shining up his boots and donning them. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/4 "2009-12-22T19:18:51Z")
Meh. The OP in that thread dripped with crazy. It didn’t really deserve a carefully thought out response. Frankly, “Bull Shit” would have been a perfectly adequate rebuttal. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/5 "2009-12-22T19:20:17Z")
Yup, nothing wrong with that. I’ve said much, much worse things about someone’s argument in GD, and have never even been warned. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/6 "2009-12-22T19:22:13Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Let’s discuss it _mano y mano_, instead of man to mod. We’re discussing moderation, so I’ve moved it to ATMB. I’m happy to explain my view on the rules, but I’m not interested in going mano _a_ mano. (You wanted pompous, you got pompous.) > [@](#): > > Tell me that this comment > from [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11915216&postcount=109), would have been accepted by you if anyone else had said it in GD. Yes, it would have. It’s a description of an argument and it’s not a personal insult. Here are a few recent usages that did not receive a warning. [One:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11900794#post11900794) > [@](#): > > I’m not going to waste any more time at all. Readers can figure out for themselves what’s going on and why I don’t need to spend more time on the garbage you’ve posted. [Two:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11861079#post11861079) > [@](#): > > Look, I know you are trying to be all allegorical and mystical and garbage [Three:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11854760#post11854760) > [@](#): > > the pages and pages of garbage he’s spewed. [Four:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11851420#post11851420) > [@](#): > > Garbage; its just as barbaric as Islam I also did a review of the Mod forums and did not find any warnings for describing another poster’s argument as garbage. So I think I’m on firm ground in saying that it’s definitely allowed. **ivan astikov** , did you read more than the last few posts? I posted six times in that thread before I (accurately) described the OP’s theory as garbage. The other six posts, as well as the one you’re objecting to, all dealt with the merits of his argument. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/7 "2009-12-22T19:24:11Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > Yup, nothing wrong with that. I’ve said much, much worse things about someone’s argument in GD, and have never even been warned. Yes, but you aren’t a moderator who normally frowns on that sort of intellectual laziness. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/8 "2009-12-22T19:35:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **ivan astikov** , did you read more than the last few posts? I posted six times in that thread before I (accurately) described the OP’s theory as garbage. The other six posts, as well as the one you’re objecting to, all dealt with the merits of his argument. I read the entire thread. Your 6 posts contained a lot of opinions, a couple of demands for citations, a couple of pertinent questions and a hyperlink to some paintings of Jesus, whereas, whatever their merits, the OP out-cited every other contributor to the thread put together. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/9 "2009-12-22T19:38:58Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Yes, but you aren’t a moderator who normally frowns on that sort of intellectual laziness. OH NO you dint! You’re accusing him of doing something he FROWNS on? Snap! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/10 "2009-12-22T19:40:40Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I read the entire thread. Your 6 posts contained a lot of opinions, a couple of demands for citations, a couple of pertinent questions and a hyperlink to some paintings of Jesus, whereas, whatever their merits, the OP out-cited every other contributor to the thread put together. Citing bullshit to support bullshit doth not a winning argument make. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/11 "2009-12-22T19:43:45Z")
I’m just scratchin’ my head about why **ivan astikov** feels the need to ride to **Egmond Codfield** ’s rescue. It’s not like he’s ( **Egmond Codfield** , that is) interested in being a Doper. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/12 "2009-12-22T19:45:09Z")
Your OP is garbage. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/13 "2009-12-22T19:50:54Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Yes, but you aren’t a moderator who normally frowns on that sort of intellectual laziness. I appreciate that. But by the time I said that, the OP had made about 40 posts in support of his theory that 16th to 18th century European monarchs were secretly black. None of his evidence held up to even a little scrutiny, and he was dodging a very basic question from me. Most of his cites were links to pictures that did not explain or support his theory, and the arguments he gave to back up the theory were either equally unsupported, or made even less sense than the theory itself (all whites are descended from albinos? The royal families kept their blackness secret, but they commissioned art depicting Jesus and Mary as black, and had no use for a white Jesus, but plenty of artists depicted him as white?). So by that point I don’t think it’s intellectually lazy to call it garbage. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/14 "2009-12-22T19:51:36Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Citing bullshit to support bullshit doth not a winning argument make. Nor does “Your argument sucks”. Explain to the OP and interested onlookers “Why it sucks” and don’t assume everyone has the same knowledge of history and any other factors involved, that you have. Remember that old “fighting ignorance” rally cry? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/15 "2009-12-22T20:02:12Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’m just scratchin’ my head about why **ivan astikov** feels the need to ride to **Egmond Codfield** ’s rescue. It’s not like he’s ( **Egmond Codfield** , that is) interested in being a Doper. It was his first thread, offering an intriguing, if off-beat idea and I wanted to see it countered in the detailed style I’m accustomed to on the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/16 "2009-12-22T20:03:16Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Nor does “Your argument sucks”. > > Explain to the OP and interested onlookers “Why it sucks” and don’t assume everyone has the same knowledge of history and any other factors involved, that you have. Read the [thread,](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=544874) where it is explained in detail. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/17 "2009-12-22T20:03:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’m just scratchin’ my head about why **ivan astikov** feels the need to ride to **Egmond Codfield** ’s rescue. It’s not like he’s ( **Egmond Codfield** , that is) interested in being a Doper. Because all conspiracy theories need to be derfended from the likes of the rationalists and skeptics that thrive on this board. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/18 "2009-12-22T20:03:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Your OP is garbage. > > Regards, > Shodan And so is your opinion… ner ner! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/19 "2009-12-22T20:04:53Z")
It’s _mano a mano_. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224/20 "2009-12-22T20:10:05Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s _mano a mano_. Too late. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marley23-get-in-here/522224.md?page=2)