Are you seriously calling your own wife a bitch? Why are you still married, if you feel thus? In my neck of the woods, Theo’s fighting words.
Married Dopers: You're in Heaven. Your spouse is...elsewhere. Do you forgo Paradise for his/her sake
Can I kick god in the nuts before I leave?
It was a joke but yes, I would have said that a few years ago. That is why I am divorced now. I don’t know Theo except from the Cosby Show but I am pretty sure I can take him.
If the strict Calvinists are right, then I can’t leave Heaven. I was predestined, remember? Choices don’t come into it.
If the Calvinists are right, I want to be wrong. A questing I would go, without a second thought or hesitation.
And I’d be flipping Heaven the bird as I walked away. After I got the list, of course. Besides, I doubt I would like the Calvinist idea of Heaven much anyway. I was raised in that church, and a more dour lot you cannot imagine.
This is not a heaven I want to be a part of. If there are multiple afterlives, and I have eternity to look, then I’m sure to find him eventually.
I’d definitely put hell last on my list, though. And if I don’t find him before then, maybe I’d stay in the second-to-last place on my list. That depends on the entrance/exit policies of afterlives other than heaven.
I hate, hate, HATE autocorrect.
I’ve only watched one documentary about this very thing. As it turns out, the documentary was a lie and the guy (RIP :() likely is in Hell with his (fictional) wife.
I don’t think I’d leave this heaven if it’s the really cool one I saw depictions of once, where there are alll these chocolate fountains and fruit bowls and women walking around serving us manna straight from the morning cull.No, I couldn’t leave if family was in Heaven. I lost a lot of family members I love and miss so much, people who could clear up all the blank spots in my vague childhood memories. And my mama. If she was there I wouldn’t ever, not even to go for a heavenly pee, I wouldn’t ever let her go.
I’d miss him, but he’s in Hell for a reason right?
Then again I’d be in hell because I’m the mocking unbeliever! Maybe he’d come get me and we’d escape together. Yeah this has to be the right answer because he’s TOTALLY have picked to come save me first. And then I’d be a like an illegal immigrant there. I wonder how Jesus feels about illegal immigrants . . .
I got this torch so I can torch heaven. I got this bucket of water so I can douse hell. So that people will drop both of those distractions and seek the beloved for the sake of love alone.
—Rābiʻah al-ʻAdawīyah of Basrah
I’d never heard of this guy before seeing your post; but going by the quotation, I feel inclined to like him.
My vows were “till death us do part” so at that point I am off the hook. Now if my children aren’t going to be there I might go looking for them.
The paradox of me being able to choose heaven or non-heaven, in a predestined universe that placed me in the saved camp, would probably cause my mind to meltdown from confusion.
I would have to choose non-heaven, just because I’m ornery like that.
I love him very much. A lot. He’s the man I love most in this life. That being said…I too would need to know where he is and the conditions therein. Is he suffering? I guess I’ll go after him, but if I can’t get him out, I guess I don’t see the reasons for both of us suffering, unless the act of my going might help.
Is he happy? Maybe he has a really hot girl, smoking hot, not someone he’s steadily grown older with. I don’t know, I’d be inclined to leave him alone in that case.
Enquiring minds need to know!
Eventually. I’ll need some time to poke around Heaven before I go. I want to see who else is in here first. Maybe all my lost socks are around here somewhere…
So basically, Heaven is an elite club you’re born into, and the rabble go ‘elsewhere.’ That’s never really been my scene. I’d have to know where she went and why. If she went to the fire because she was truly a bad person who was only putting on a very convincing act for me while secretly despising me for a fool, then she can burn alone with only vile devils for company, and my loyalty to God would be renewed and unwavering.
But if she was truly a good person and is instead in The Olive Garden of afterlifes, I’m looking her up so we can revel for eternity with reasonably good food and cheap red wine.
I’m sure Mr. Beetle’s gonna be just fine.
I’ll loan you my cell phone when I’m done.
Possible places? Calvinism allows for multiple non-heaven places?
I’m not much of a student of Reformation-era theology, but this is news to me. Assuming Calvinist predestination - that whether you’re saved or damned has been determined before the creation of the Universe - there’s no real point to Purgatory. So besides Hell, what other non-Heaven place is there?
If there’s just Heaven and Hell, I’m staying in Heaven just so I can give God an earful for all eternity about his crappy divine plan. There’s no good I can do my loved one by going to Hell; she might not even be allowed to be aware of my presence.
If there are a number of non-Heaven places, I want to see the list, hopefully accompanied by some descriptive detail about each one, before I decide what to do.
You guys crack me up.
Death is starting to sound a lot like working for a law firm.