Marry a Millionaire babe's different tune

Factual Questions
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Our humble Tuba has stated the case quite correctly; however, I seriously doubt the infamous cyberian will actually pay attention to the facts.

Most of the folks “working the PX” by the way are civilians. The military members were out serving their country, you might recall. Be that as it may, even some folks who didn’t “touch the desert sands” got their enlistments extended involuntarily so they’d still be on active duty during the Gulf War. That would mean that the military considers them to be Gulf War vets, regardless of what the infamous cyberian thinks.

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The way I see it. She went on the show to marry a good looking rich guy. She was almost simpering with joy when she got picked. Video doesn’t lie. Then she backed out when she found out he wasn’t Donald Trump. You think she’d back out if Rockwell was Forbes or Trump rich? Heck no. Get real. And look at Trump, you don’t even need to be good looking to get the babes. Case in point the old guy Anna Nicole Smith married. I wonder if he got any whoopie with her.

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What gets me, is there WAS a point in the show where he got down on one knee and asked her to marry him. Did her brain go AWOL ? She could have said no right then and there, and gone away with all the stuff and the nice weekend. She said “yes” Tuba. So unless there was a specific line in a contract somewhere that said she HAD to say yes if picked (and I doubt the legal validity of that) then she dug her own grave. Thus she has nothing to complain about . . . again and again and again on national tv.

As for Rockwell, he deserves everything he is getting too. He’s an idiot, quite possibly a violent one.

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Ms. Diva

I think you are not understanding the point I’m making about the Vet thing, and YES, I did actually serve my country in uniform.

Yes, they are Vets if they served but I do not consider them part of any campaign they did not fight in. The service would also not give them a campaign ribbon if they did not touch that soil. Let me give you another example. If you fought in the Battle of the Bulge, laid there in the snow, had mortars dropped on you and got wounded, and another guy stayed in England in a warm, safe barracks, would they both be considered to be Battle of the Bulge Vets? OF COURSE NOT.

If her Lilly white feet never touched the sand I can,t see calling her a Vet of THAT campaign. If she were a nurse in Ryaid I would say yes. Many nurses were just as traumatized as the front line guys from what they saw and had to endure.

Getting back to her, I think she is not telling 100% of the truth. I think she doth protest TOO much.

Pas grande chose.

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Yea, I can see her getting into the contest on a lark and not being so happy with it as she progressed. I can even see the excitement on her face from being picked as a finalist as real excitement over winning the loot, trip and ego-inflating attention. I kind of think of the special Fra-gee-lea prize from X-mas Story… a contest prize can seem more valuable to the winner than to the rest of us. So when the accolades and moolah began slowing down and reality started squeezing her, naturally she began to express what were now her ‘true’ feelings - and doing her best to recover whatever scraps of dignity she could find.

However… Didn’t the final five contestants get a chance to make their ‘personal’ speech right before he chose them? I was not watching the show directly (it was on in the other room, but I kept half an ear on it) but I seem to recall all of them making some sort of simpering soliloquy about how much they were going to grow to love Mr. Howell. Does anyone recall Ms. Gymrat’s little speech? To me, that would speak to her character much more than her recent protests.

Lastly, why don’t I see Mr. Magoo getting as much flack for Fox’s little charade? (Or is he and I am just missing it?) Seems to me that Mr. McDuck went to visit a whorehouse on national television. Notta lotta class there.

Just my thoughts. Thanks for listening.

Once in a while you can get shown the light
in the strangest of places
if you look at it right…

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I swear I’m trying to keep this short, but the amount of misinformation from cyb is just amazing!

Firstly, and as I said above, regardless of what cyberian thinks, the importan issue is what the military establishment considers to constitute veteran status of a particular war or campaign.

Let’s take his stance on the Riyadh assignment as an example and even apply it retroactively to the daytime bombing flights during World War Two. Now, the bomber crews got shot at while they were over Germany, didn’t they? But the units were stationed in the United Kingdom. The ground crews to include the mechanics and the medical teams were just as much a part of that campaign as the bomber crews themselves.

But in this case, old cyberian again refuses to address the facts of the matter. In the People magazine article online (http://www.pathfinder.com/people/weekly/features/index3.html), the following statement appears:

Here the author of that article is implying, as cyberian seems to be also, that only those who served in the war zone were veterans of the Gulf War itself.

BTW, I’m sure all the Sailors and Marines who served aboard ship in the Gulf really appreciate cyberian’s stance that they didn’t really serve in that campaign unless they put their feet in the sands of Iraq. Luckily, it’s the military and the government, not cyberian, who get to make that determination. And such determination has been made in the affirmative. Sailors and Marines at sea, who did not “touch the sand” did receive a campaign ribbon for Desert Storm.

I’ll go with the govermnent on this one, Johnny ol’ joke.

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I once heard the following supposedly-true story, about a man who was trying to demonstrate what he thought of a certain woman. I don’t know who the woman was, but I think the man was either Winston Churchill or Groucho Marx…

Man: Would you sleep with me if I gave you a hundred million dollars?
Woman: Just once? No strings attached? Yes, I suppose I would.
Man: Would you do it for five dollars?
Woman: Five dollars!!! What kind of woman do you think I am!!!
Man: We’ve clearly established exactly what kind of woman you are. Now we’re just haggling over the price.

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That she is a veteran, because of her military record is not in dispute. I don’t know if she claimed to be a Gulf War Veteran or if Fox claimed she was.

Those of us who served in the Gulf War were in an AO (Area Of Operations) that was strictly defined by the DoD. I’m not sure what it was exactly, but it encompassed the Arabian Peninsula, the Iraqi AO, the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea and certain other parts of the Middle East and southern Turkey. The award of the Southwest Asia Service Medal during the time of (approx) Aug. 1990 to about April or May of 1992 was given to all US military personnel who served in the AO.

In addition, for some of us who were in the AO from the time of Aug 1990 to Feb-Mar 1991, the dates the buildup and actual shooting began and ended, the Saudi Arabian government awarded all Coalition military personnel in the AO, the Kuwaiti Liberation Medal, which can be worn on a US military uniform. The Government of Kuwait chimed in later an awarded the Kuwaiti Kuwait Liberation Medal to us. This was carried to its most ridiculous extreme, since it closely resembled the Saudi Kuwait Liberation Medal. Since, in the Air Force, we can choose not to wear all of our awards and medals, I promptly awarded my Kuwaiti medal to my dog for faithful service. It hangs on his collar to this day.

Ms. Conger, by her service in Utah and Korea during the time frame ending in 1991 would be awarded the National Defense Service Medal, an additional US award that was given to all US military personnel in that period, regardless of where she served.

As a minimum, those of us that served in the Gulf War and in the Persian Gulf AO received the Southwest Asia Service Medal, the (Saudi) Kuwait Liberation Medal, and the National Defense Service Medal.

All these together are what we referred to as “I was there” medals, and really don’t particuarly make a big impression within the military circles, both active and retired. Consider, that if there were any more US military personnel on the Saudi peninsula just prior to the start of the shooting, we might’ve sunk the country into the Gulf from the sheer weight of all of us and our equipment. :slight_smile:

With these parameters, you make the call. Just among us retired military types, the general rule is that you should’ve been walking, floating or flying in the AO during the actual wartime operations to call yourself a Gulf War vet.

…send lawyers, guns, and money…

       Warren Zevon
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From today’s Studio Brief at the IMDB:

http://us.imdb.com/StudioBrief/#7

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Oh, and Keeves, that was George Bernard Shaw who originally made that quip.

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Credit where credit is due. Thanks, Mojo.

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Bluepony:

Many Servicemembers felt that those Soldiers captured in the former Yugoslavia didn’t deserve the Purple Heart medals awarded to them by the government. But, and this is the important thing to remember here, regardless of your personal opinion in the matter, those folks met the requirements set for the medal concerned. If you don’t lke it, take it up the chain of command or with the government. But no matter how long and loud you shout “it ain’t so,” well, guess what, it is so.

And just for fun, I’m looking at a job application that asks:

Interesting, isn’t it?

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Monty

I’ll try to make this short too. Some Naval Office Pinkie is not the last work on what transpires in combat. You must be in the theater of operations to receive a campaign ribbon. If you served in Europe in teh War, as an example, you do NOT get a Pacific campaign medal, and vice-versa.

Naval personel that served on Warships, which excludes you, are just as intitled to service and campaign ribbons as teh grunts who wer in teh field. But, you need to pay attention here Monty, if YOU where at your lil ole typewriter in DC or Anacosta, Virgina you would NOT get that campaign medal. Ihn short, you do not get a combat ribbon unless you were in combat.

I realize your new age interpretations would be all inclusive and would give heroic mention of the people back State-side that made the uniforms.tra la

Calling me Cyberain only makes you seem foolish.

Pas grande chose.

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Lord knows how I missed this one for four days. Well, it had GD potential, but it now seems personal enough that the Pit is the right place for it.

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Bluepony

Exactly what I’ve labored to get the Office Pinkie Monty-types to understand. If Ms Conger was in Utah during the hostilities she gets squat and if she was in Korea before or after the dates mentioned above she gets squat. Do you undestand NOW Monty?

bluepony

Understand this a little better now Monty?

Monty, buy a vowel!

JOHN L/cpl, grunt, USMC H&S Co 1st bat 6th Marines & 1st bat 2nd Marines, 2nd Div Fleet Marine Force FMF

Pas grande chose.