# Marshmallow, you sexist pig **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 29, 2009, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649 "2009-07-29T07:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/21 "2009-07-29T22:43:47Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > It was meant to ellicit a brief feeling of amusement, nothing more. Mine too. For me šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/22 "2009-07-29T23:31:32Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > I canā€™t speak for her, but Iā€™d have to guess that your little haha would sting a lot more if it didnā€™t come from someone who thinks itā€™s art to dress up as a wizard and show his wang to people. But how would you know heā€™s a wizard if you didnā€™t see his magic wand? šŸ˜• **Catfight** , I recall reading somewhere a few years ago that the percentage of violent crime in the U.S. committed by women has been gradually increasing since the 1970ā€™s (or so). One way feminism empowered women was by encouraging them to be more like men (that was my impression of it growing up in the 80s, anyway) and itā€™s possible that an unintended consequence of that was to encourage them to be more violent. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/23 "2009-07-30T00:54:32Z")
I remember the phenomenon of ā€œ[happy slapping](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_slapping)ā€, wherein gangs of girls (most commonly) would beat up on someone and video the beating for later distribution - not sure if thatā€™s still continuing. In any case, as with any satire, thereā€™s probably a grain of truth in itā€¦ just look at the [What Is The Most Egregiously Sexist Act You Have Ever Seen?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=525099) thread and its offshoot, the ā€œthings people have called you from carsā€ threadā€¦ most of the offenders being male. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/24 "2009-07-30T01:39:04Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Further research would reveal that _I am also a feminist_ (or possibly a post-feminist). Iā€™m a beam-feminist myself. We should get together for support. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/25 "2009-07-30T01:47:00Z")
I started a follow up thread that aimed to discuss some of the issues that got started, but not in a ā€œMan are the debil!!!ā€ way. > **[Gender roles and violence](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=526297)** > > In this thread on how to fix men, a lot of people were talking about starting a new one: Sorry if the topic wasnā€™t really descriptive enough. I wanted to avoid the inflammatory nature of the last one. While obviously eradicating the male gender is... ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/26 "2009-07-30T02:07:10Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > I canā€™t speak for her, but Iā€™d have to guess that your little haha would sting a lot more if it didnā€™t come from someone who thinks itā€™s art to dress up as a wizard and show his wang to people. No more picture threads for you! Alternatively, porno Harry Potter Halloweā€™en costume for me! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/27 "2009-07-30T02:36:58Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > I canā€™t speak for her, but Iā€™d have to guess that your little haha would sting a lot more if it didnā€™t come from someone who thinks itā€™s art to dress up as a wizard and show his wang to people. I put on my robe, and wizard hatā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/28 "2009-07-30T07:07:13Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Bolding mine. > > Iā€™m interested. What societal pressure affects the data of the cites he gave? Specifically, the urging from parents to their sons to be [unemotional](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlevag6plkz) and [aggressive](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EgomaniacHunter). The theme in society that a man will always be [shallow](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheJailBaitWait), [sex-obsessed](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ptitleem16myh5) and [bad with children](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BumblingDad). How real men [donā€™t bother with school](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BookDumb), how [a man is not a virgin](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AManIsNotAVirgin), and the like. Iā€™m not saying that this is only a problem with men, or that there arenā€™t corresponding societal pressures on females. But the point is, from a young age, males are pressured to become unemotional, sex-obsessed and aggressive, and that would lead to increased porn usage and violent crime from men. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/29 "2009-07-30T07:39:48Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > But the point is, from a young age, males are pressured to become unemotional, sex-obsessed and aggressive, and that would lead to increased porn usage and violent crime from men. And why would you lump in porn with aggression? Or unemotional with either? Someone who is unemotional isnā€™t going to be interested in porn ( or women for that matter ), nor are they going to be aggressive. And Iā€™d expect someone who is into porn to be less aggressive towards women because they have another outlet. And TV Tropes is a funny site about media . . . tropes; not a serious study of mass psychology. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/30 "2009-07-30T08:03:57Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > to the merely slightly harmful, like porn. Just to raise my objection to this - in what way is ā€˜pornā€™ inherently harmful at all? What harm is there in viewing a naked human body? Does it become harmful if its two (or more) bodies engaged in coitus? Or is it a religious masturbation is sinful thing? On preview: Odd to be on the same side as **Der Trihs** , but > [@](#): > > And Iā€™d expect someone who is into porn to be less aggressive towards women because they have another outlet. Where does this assumption that women donā€™t view/arenā€™t into porn come from? ---
**Author:** ![Other\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Other\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Other_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/31 "2009-07-30T10:29:36Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Where does this assumption that women donā€™t view/arenā€™t into porn come from? Where all assumptions come from: the glitter box. ~S.P.I.~ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/32 "2009-07-30T14:41:32Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > On preview: Odd to be on the same side as **Der Trihs** , but where does this assumption that women donā€™t view/arenā€™t into porn come from? Well, of course ā€œwomen donā€™t view/arenā€™t into pornā€ is a blanket statement, but I thought it was pretty well established that women, on the whole, are less likely to watch porn than men. Thatā€™s changing somewhat - I think itā€™s pretty easy to see that younger women are more comfortable watching, making and discussing porn than their mothers were, particularly as third-wave feminism reclaims female sexuality from the second-wave ā€œporn is evilā€ brand of feminism. Still, women tend to read more erotica than men do, while men tend to watch more porn than men do. I havenā€™t found a U.S. study on gender and pornography consumption, but [this Danish study](http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18283848) found that: > [@](#): > > Compared to women, men were exposed to pornography at a younger age, consumed more pornography as measured by time and frequency, and used pornography more often during sexual activity on their own. As an interesting aside, [this Australian study](http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a903379606) of the relationship between porn consumption and gender attitudes found that: > [@](#): > > There was no relationship demonstrated between consumersā€™ attitudes towards women and the amount of pornography consumed; but there was a relationship between greater negative attitudes towards women and being older; voting for a right-wing political party; living in a rural area; having a lower level of formal education; and being a man. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/33 "2009-07-30T15:14:33Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > Well, of course ā€œwomen donā€™t view/arenā€™t into pornā€ is a blanket statement, but I thought it was pretty well established that women, on the whole, are less likely to **watch** porn than men. Wait, who says you need to _watch_ porn? Women seem to be pretty good at writing and reading it, if you look at Harlequin sales and slash fiction. This has come up before, but I think weā€™re entering a new phase of porn consumption in that people are getting anything they can think of on demand, instantly, and from the moment they can think to look for it (and have a computer ā€“ which is increasingly the norm, even at a very young age). (As for being called a chick, of all the animals associated with women, and there are certainly a lot, it is among the least offensive. Especially if itā€™s coming from that little yellow bastard.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/34 "2009-07-30T16:04:03Z")
> [@Cat\_Fight](#): > > Wait, who says you need to _watch_ porn? Women seem to be pretty good at writing and reading it, if you look at Harlequin sales and slash fiction. I absolutely agree, and I acknowledged as much in my post: ā€œā€¦women tend to read more erotica than men do, while men tend to watch more porn than [wo]men.ā€ I think we just had a misunderstanding over whether ā€œpornā€ was referring to all forms of pornography or just photos and videos, which is how I usually hear it used, with ā€œeroticaā€ used to refer to written pornography. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/35 "2009-07-30T17:34:06Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And TV Tropes is a funny site about media . . . tropes; not a serious study of mass psychology. Agreed. What an odd place to use for cites. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/36 "2009-07-30T18:28:07Z")
> [@whole\_bean](#): > > You should probably go to the linked thread and read **Marshmallowā€™s** whole post. > > See :smack: Sorry! I confess I thought the post was such offensive nonsense that I skimmed the second half of it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/37 "2009-07-30T19:16:34Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Thereā€™s a thread somewhere commenting on how there seem to be more ā€œGuestsā€ posting nowadays. My first thought on seeing its title was ā€œMaybe, maybe not; but there sure seem to be more trolls nowadays.ā€ Seems like the SDMB has this conversation every summer. I think the theory is the kids are out of school and have time on their hands. Iā€™m not sure I agree, but I donā€™t really have another theory. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/38 "2009-07-30T19:30:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And why would you lump in porn with aggression? Or unemotional with either? Someone who is unemotional isnā€™t going to be interested in porn ( or women for that matter ), nor are they going to be aggressive. And Iā€™d expect someone who is into porn to be less aggressive towards women because they have another outlet. > > And TV Tropes is a funny site about media . . . tropes; not a serious study of mass psychology. This. Why the porn hate? Porn should be encouraged for everyone. Itā€™s hard to cause trouble with only one free hand. ---
**Author:** ![Mom-of-Andrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8c91f0/32.png) [@Mom-of-Andrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mom-of-Andrew)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/39 "2009-07-30T21:24:55Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Porn should be encouraged for everyone. Itā€™s hard to cause trouble with only one free hand. You have a free hand? You need to step up your technique. May I recommend certain things with batteries? šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649/40 "2009-07-30T22:02:58Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > I absolutely agree, and I acknowledged as much in my post: ā€œā€¦women tend to read more erotica than men do, while men tend to watch more porn than [wo]men.ā€ I think we just had a misunderstanding over whether ā€œpornā€ was referring to all forms of pornography or just photos and videos, which is how I usually hear it used, with ā€œeroticaā€ used to refer to written pornography. Or as Iā€™ve heard it put : ā€œIf men like it, itā€™s porn; if women like it, itā€™s erotica.ā€ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/marshmallow-you-sexist-pig/504649.md?page=3)