# Martin Bashir, you call that an apology? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2013, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245 "2013-11-19T07:42:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/21 "2013-11-19T14:43:46Z")
I think he’s on Star Trek. Or CNN. I know it’s a fictional universe anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/22 "2013-11-19T14:43:59Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Clicking through to see the context of the original statement, I am less appalled by what he really said. > > It’s still not something someone in the media ought to say, but it isn’t like he said someone should lay a Cleveland steamer on her out of the blue. > > Plus, Obama. (General Magellan01, you’re a real moron.) Yeah, it isn’t like like he just randomly said “There’s so much shit coming _out_ of her mouth that some going in might be a refreshing change!” Palin compared debt to China to slavery, and Bashir pointed out what a ridiculous comparison it was by bringing up historical incidences where slaves were punished by having other slaves shit in their mouths and piss on their eyes. He then suggested that Palin would be an “outstanding candidate” for this kind of punishment. Yeah, that went too far and he was right to apologize, IMHO. But lets see the whole picture. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/23 "2013-11-19T14:48:20Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > It was an anti-pitting of Bashir. I didn’t know where to put it as we don’t have a forum “Sing the Praises”. I threw in the snide comment about Obama because it was, indeed, the Pit and felt the need to criticize someone. And Obama’s lame apology contrasted well with Bashir’s. > > Don’t like the forum? Meh. Sue me. You wanted to share something, not ask for facts or an opinion. You didn’t want a debate, and this is not an art or game topic, nor is it about this message board, a Straight Dope article, or home construction. Since it also isn’t a rant, it would go in MPSIMS. I’m not sure why you would find it so hard to figure out. And if Obama is not the topic, I suggest you ask the thread to be moved there, else most people are going to discuss you and your mistake rather than the topic you actually wanted to discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/24 "2013-11-19T14:51:58Z")
But someone should defecate on/in Sarah Palin. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/25 "2013-11-19T14:55:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > That would go in MPSIMS. I am not sure why you found that hard to figure out. > > And if Obama is not the topic, I suggest you ask the thread to be moved there, else most people are going to discuss you and your mistake rather than the topic you actually wanted to discuss. Really. I don’t spend time there, really, so I’m not sure. But it doesn’t seem that complimenting someone for a public apology is “mundane” or “pointless”. I think IMHO might be better. But perhaps either is batter than the Pit, so thinks. Mods, can you move this to IMHO? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/26 "2013-11-19T14:57:22Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I have no idea who Martin Bashir is. However, I do feel someone should defecate on Sarah Palin, and I make no apologies about that. He has a current events type show on MSNBC. There’s a link on the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/27 "2013-11-19T15:05:54Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think he’s on Star Trek. Or CNN. I know it’s a fictional universe anyway. Darn, he’s actually on MSNBC. I guess I have to shelve that joke until CNN hires someone with the same last name as a Star Trek character. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/28 "2013-11-19T15:08:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Darn, he’s actually on MSNBC. I guess I have to shelve that joke until CNN hires someone with the same last name as a Star Trek character. :smack: Ha! You were actually correct for a change, MSNBC is as fictional as they get. And for that you give yourself a head smack? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/29 "2013-11-19T15:12:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Ha! You were actually correct for a change, MSNBC is as fictional as they get. He was right about shit coming out of her mouth, though. Credit where credit is due. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/30 "2013-11-19T15:14:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So do I. I don’t. An apology that was mandated, as in apologize or get fired, is no apology. He either meant what he said or he didn’t. If he didn’t, he shouldn’t have said it in the first place. If he did, he should have the balls to stand behind his words, even if it meant losing his job over it. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/31 "2013-11-19T15:19:59Z")
I have to disagree. No one should shit on Sarah palin. She is too full of shit as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/32 "2013-11-19T15:20:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > He has a current events type show on MSNBC. There’s a link on the OP. IANAL, but doesn’t the equal-time law compel you also to provide a link of someone shitting on or in Sarah Palin? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/33 "2013-11-19T16:28:23Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I don’t. > > An apology that was mandated, as in apologize or get fired, is no apology. He either meant what he said or he didn’t. If he didn’t, he shouldn’t have said it in the first place. If he did, he should have the balls to stand behind his words, even if it meant losing his job over it. But do you know this to be the case? I don’t. And given the fullness of what he said, I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. And this is a guy who I really don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/34 "2013-11-19T17:02:32Z")
So, what was he apologizing for? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/35 "2013-11-19T17:06:11Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > He either meant what he said or he didn’t. If he didn’t, he shouldn’t have said it in the first place. If he did, he should have the balls to stand behind his words, even if it meant losing his job over it. Never apologize! By Grabthar’s hammer, stand by your words! NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER! ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/36 "2013-11-19T19:53:37Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > [The Japanese Tradition: Apologising](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZcEwHBAk8) Hmm… I think given the stupidity of the OP (and Ms. Palin), a more appropriate choice for illustrating a “proper” Japanese apology is [this](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W647gDp-u-s). I personally think Palin is a shitbag, so Bashir’s suggestion is more one of “topping off” than “crapping on”. And, of course, Obama something. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/37 "2013-11-19T20:16:33Z")
Heh. The original headline: > [@](#): > > MSNBC’s Bashir: Sarah Palin Should Be Defecated, Pissed On The apology: > [@](#): > > MSNBC’s Bashir Apologizes For Saying Someone Should Defecate on Sarah Palin So, to be perfectly clear, Bashir does not believe that Sarah Palin should be defecated on, and regrets saying so; however, he is not willing at this time to agree that she should not be urinated on. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/38 "2013-11-19T20:20:12Z")
No, she should \*not \*be pissed on. If she is on fire. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/39 "2013-11-19T20:20:44Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > But someone should defecate on/in Sarah Palin. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I do feel someone should defecate on Sarah Palin, and I make no apologies about that. It would certainly be an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Rachellelogram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rachellelogram/32/8689_2.png) [@Rachellelogram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachellelogram)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245/40 "2013-11-19T21:08:09Z")
I really enjoyed the original video, and feel confident that he meant what he said. No retraction can take back his sincerity. And I’m _glad_. Because that cunt will never apologize for putting slavery in the same ballpark as whatever tea party mumbo-jumbo she was blabbering about (I don’t remember, and I can’t watch the video at work). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-bashir-you-call-that-an-apology/674245.md?page=3)