# Martin Hyde, you're a fucking idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078 "2006-02-12T04:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/181 "2006-02-13T20:22:11Z")
Ooo! Ooo! Can I be a degenerate too? ---
**Author:** ![Xploder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/a183cd/32.png) [@Xploder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xploder)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/182 "2006-02-13T20:24:47Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Guess you did. At Ft. Leonard Wood in 1980, where I was sent as a 12B, Drill Sgt. Staten & the rest of the training cadre gave us no such options. The exact words screamed at us by one or another of them were “There ain’t no fucking Atheists in **MY** Army!” Yeah, one of the Atheists in the group, me for example, could have made a complaint. He’d also have received a blanket party from the other recruits and been a real favorite of the Drills. It seemed better judgement at the time to just accept the no preference label and go to service. After basic, that foolishness was over anyway. No offense bud but I find this VERY hard to believe. I went to Great Lakes Naval Training Center in the 70’s and Ft. Jackson, SC. in the 80’s and if that behaviour had ever been exhibited in either place, the offending noncom or officer woulf have been court martialed. On a side note, when I was in Germany, we got a new post commander that disliked swearing and the next mornings formation had the 1st sgt stating that “all you cocksuckers better knock off the fucking swearing cuz the new post CO don’t like that fuckin’ shit.” Gotta love the Army. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/183 "2006-02-13T20:25:39Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > I did take back what I said, I don’t know the political standgins of most of the board, thus it was wrong for me to generalize. > > However, I do know the political affiliation of the politically outspoken SDMB, and that population does indeed represent the worst in society, unwashed degenerates and the mentally ill. > > You being a prime example of a mentally ill degenerate. But why? Explain what makes us mentally ill degenerates. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/184 "2006-02-13T20:34:42Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > If I quote his actual position to you, stated in his own words, and if it’s not what you said, will you apologize to **Bricker** and to me for misrepresenting him? If you can show where it’s a misrepresentation as well, sure. If I show you (and I can) where he’s simply changed the word “war” to the word “attack”, and continued his original whine, will \*you \* apologize to _me_? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/185 "2006-02-13T20:38:22Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > But why? Explain what makes us mentally ill degenerates. Obviously because you disagree with his statement. That is all he needs to diagnose you. :dubious: Obvious isn’t it. **cthiax** , you really should update your sig to include a hyperlink to his post #80. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/186 "2006-02-13T20:49:35Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > If you can show where it’s a misrepresentation as well, sure. If I show you (and I can) where he’s simply changed the word “war” to the word “attack”, and continued his original whine, will \*you \* apologize to _me_? :dubious: > [@Bricker](#): > > My position now is: The movement to stop unconstitutional government participation in religion has a chilling effect on constitutional religious activity. I am well aware that, many pages ago in the thread, he changed from the word “war” to the word “attack.” He appears since then to have been persuaded that this position too is incorrect. I believe what I quoted is his most recent summation of his position, although he has repeatedly clarified that he believes it is only one source of such a chilling effect. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/187 "2006-02-13T20:51:52Z")
[link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7091457&postcount=545), and a clarification that he agreed later on that this chilling effect was unintended. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/188 "2006-02-13T20:54:46Z")
You’re free to believe whatever you like about what you think he’s saying, since he is so reticent about stating it clearly. But not, unfortunately, to accuse others of misrepresenting it when by simply quoting his actual, unretracted words. What you’ve quoted above he said before the “attack” stuff, too. Now where’s that apology? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/189 "2006-02-13T20:55:44Z")
One more clarification: **Elvis’s** disingenuous statement was that “as for a new position he’s simply changed “war” to “attack”.” **Bricker’s** original position was: > [@](#): > > I would argue that there are - or, rather, were - a number of events that could fairly be considered as waging war against the public celebration of Christmas. > … > I contend that a series of events, each characterized by an effort to remove some traditional aspect of Christmas celebration from the public sphere, are in the aggregate fairly called a “War on Christmas.” > … > So - when I say, “War on Christmas,” I mean simply a series of attacks each intended to remove the celebration of Christmas from the public sphere. All quotes taken from [the first and second posts in this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=356442). Read this original position, and then the position I quote above: > [@](#): > > My position now is: The movement to stop unconstitutional government participation in religion has a chilling effect on constitutional religious activity. **Elvis’s** characterization of the change in position is disingenuous. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/190 "2006-02-13T20:57:04Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You’re free to believe whatever you like about what you think he’s saying, since he is so reticent about stating it clearly. But not, unfortunately, to accuse others of misrepresenting it when by simply quoting his actual, unretracted words. What you’ve quoted above he said before the “attack” stuff, too. > > Now where’s that apology? :rolleyes: I would wonder the same thing, except that I know you’re a contemptible lying weasel, and I no more expect an apology from you, even when it’s owed, than I expect my cat to quote Shakespeare. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/191 "2006-02-13T21:37:56Z")
Is your cat more of a Marlowe scholar then? ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/192 "2006-02-13T23:00:59Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > I did take back what I said, I don’t know the political standgins of most of the board, thus it was wrong for me to generalize. > > However, I do know the political affiliation of the politically outspoken SDMB, and that population does indeed represent the worst in society, unwashed degenerates and the mentally ill. > > You being a prime example of a mentally ill degenerate. I always miss the beginnings of these threads. ☹ As a semiregular poster and an avowed agnostic/atheist let me just say I don’t personally have any problem with the military chaplain service _provided_ the chaplains are able and willing to provide services/sacraments in any and all religions _and_ provide nonreligious counselling service to those who prefer it, regardless of their own personal denomination. I feel that qualifies under the 1st amendment since it at least hypothetically gives equal footing to all belief systems. As long as those requirements are met I’m okay with it. Otherwise, no way. If the military brass are in the habit of proselytizing for their own brand of religion among the troops, and _especially_ if they use belief systems as litmus tests for promotions, then the system is fucked up. I’ve never served so I don’t know that those things happen, but I have heard stories. Also, I may be mentally ill and my girlfriend could tell you if I’m a degenerate, but I wash every day thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/193 "2006-02-13T23:05:43Z")
> [@mrrealtime](#): > > I expressed despair at the appearance of what I consider a state sponsored religious activity when I am clearly an Athiest. Are you saying all people who express themselves in this way are “a tool” ? And, what is “a tool” exactly? Please clarify your position. A “provoker” (your words, not mine!) is a troll. A troll is a tool. Any clearer now? > [@SentientMeat](#): > > Perhaps they could they get togther and demand a government-salaried stand-up comedian Isn’t that already done? > [@SentientMeat](#): > > or a lap dancer Dude, have you ever been on or near a military base? 😃 > [@Guinastasia](#): > > What the hell is a “blanket party?” I didn’t know this either until I spent a lot of time in boot camp. I’ve never participated in a blanket party or been part of a flight that had one, but I’ve been down the hall from a couple of blanket parties and heard about them (seen the wounds one time when they didn’t cover the face, etc.) the next day. One particularly nasty one I heard about involved those name- and unit-badges with the sharp pins that you wear on your dress uniform. BTW, I’d also like to add that part of the blanket’s purported functionality is that it helps minimize the scarring, so that the “you better not tell anyone” thing can work. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/194 "2006-02-13T23:07:52Z")
> [@photopat](#): > > I don’t personally have any problem with the military chaplain service provided the chaplains are able and willing to provide services/sacraments in any and all religions and provide nonreligious counselling service to those who prefer it, regardless of their own personal denomination. Well, I can’t be arsed to link to the post for you (or write the post again), but these questions have been answered several times between this thread and the thread it concerns. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/195 "2006-02-13T23:39:21Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > :rolleyes: I would wonder the same thing, except that I know you’re a contemptible lying weasel I showed you where you were wrong. I even explained what was wrong with the cites you gave later before you even gave them. A grownup accepts responsibility for what he says. Maybe you’ll learn someday. But I’m not waiting and you’re not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/196 "2006-02-13T23:53:09Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > Well, I can’t be arsed to link to the post for you (or write the post again), but these questions have been answered several times between this thread and the thread it concerns. My apologies for missing some of the posts and links. As I said, as long as those certain conditions are met I have no personal problem with military chaplains. I’m sure instances that would violate them are few and far between. I do, however, have a huge problem with Martin Hyde. ---
**Author:** ![mrrealtime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@mrrealtime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrrealtime)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/197 "2006-02-14T00:49:31Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > A “provoker” (your words, not mine!) is a troll. > A troll is a tool. > > Any clearer now? A “provoker” is a catalyst. A catalyst can be a tool used to start a discussion. Ah, yes, a tool for use instigating discussion. I see now. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/198 "2006-02-14T02:17:01Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > Obviously because you disagree with his statement. That is all he needs to diagnose you. :dubious: > Obvious isn’t it. > > **cthiax** , you really should update your sig to include a hyperlink to his post #80. > > Jim How this? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/199 "2006-02-14T02:23:23Z")
> [@rayh](#): > > How this? I would say awesome, I just did this a short time ago. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/200 "2006-02-14T02:27:50Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > I don’t care what reasons you have for your opinions one way or the other. I also couldn’t give a flying fuck about what you want to pay for, because you’re going to pay for it and you’re going to fucking like it and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it except leave the country and quit paying taxes in the United States. Well, I guess that’s what I get for wondering what “knee-jerk caveman trainwreck ahead” actually means. I’ll have to write that down. > [@](#): > > No logical and reasonable person would oppose the chaplain service, the only reasons for opposition to this service is religious bigotry. You can try and hide that however you want, but that’s how it is. I’m just curious, do you reckon the establishment clause (that’s in the First Amendment) also originated from the same kind of religious bigotry? But then, I suppose somebody like you is probably hatching a plan to rectify that little oversight. > [@](#): > > It’s like saying someone could support the KKK without being a racist. This is just like someone who says they hate bad analogies but then they go rob a liquor store. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078.md?page=11)