# Martin Hyde, you're a fucking idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078 "2006-02-12T04:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/201 "2006-02-14T02:31:54Z")
Why do you fuckers keep getting sidetracked? This is not supposed to be a discussion about chaplains in the military, that in GD. This is not supposed to be a love fest for lefty and elvis, that belongs in MPSIMS. This is a Pitting of the most worthless degenerate scumbag loser to grace the boards. One who falsely claims to have served in the military. One that is a retarded partisan hack for a party that wants nothing to do with him. This is about the bottom dwelling scum sucking pond scum that goes by the screen name Martin Hyde. The lowest most vile sort of poser that exists. Lets get back to the point of this thread. Telling Martin what a shit eating scumbag fucktard with absolutely no redeaming qualities he is. Hyde if you ever served, which I doubt, you make all veterans ashamed. You bring dishonor to those who served, especially those who served with you. You shoulod have been drummed out of the service and your name should be stricken from the rolls. Have a nice day asshole. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/202 "2006-02-14T02:36:07Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > What would you prefer to tell the soldiers who we’re about to put in harm’s way? “There’s no God, no Heaven, and if you die you’re just dead. Now charge that machine gun nest.” > > I’m sure that would do wonders for morale. On the other hand, we might have a lot fewer wars if people stopped promising soldiers pearly gates and 72 virgins. I never did hear a lot of Army chaplains much going on about the Sermon on the Mount… blessed are the peacemakers, etc… nor turning the other cheek. Chaplains do some good things, talk to the guys who are going nuts, whose families are falling apart from the long deployment, answering existential questions, etc. This, I don’t mind. I don’t believe what they believe but everybody needs material and spiritual nourishment of different kinds. But the chaplains also did a lot of pumping people up on some righteous wrath for justification to bring down hell’s fury on the enemy. This, I do mind. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/203 "2006-02-14T02:37:24Z")
\*\*askeptic \*\*: That is some A prime flaming. Awesome. I was going for the more subtle approach [of letting his stupidity speak for itself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7096205&postcount=80), but I admire your more direct method. Jim ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/204 "2006-02-14T02:39:33Z")
PS I don’t have a problem with chaplains in the military, tradition and all. I never availed myself of their services, and I can attest to the fact that there are agnostics in foxholes. This doesn’t mean Hyde is not the most despicable fucker I have run across on this board. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/205 "2006-02-14T02:49:13Z")
> [@Brain Wreck](#): > > But the chaplains also did a lot of pumping people up on some righteous wrath for justification to bring down hell’s fury on the enemy. This, I do mind. This is a very good point. Was it Richard Dawkins who said that along with the warhorse, the longbow, and the machine gun that religious belief was one of the most effective technologies to be used in war? In any case, as long as we need to have an army (and I do think that we still do), the chaplain program is a necessary ‘less-than-good-thing’. **askeptic** : Well put, I agree without reservation. ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/206 "2006-02-14T02:58:07Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Why do you fuckers keep getting sidetracked? This is not supposed to be a discussion about chaplains in the military, that in GD. This is not supposed to be a love fest for lefty and elvis, that belongs in MPSIMS. > > This is a Pitting of the most worthless degenerate scumbag loser to grace the boards. One who falsely claims to have served in the military. One that is a retarded partisan hack for a party that wants nothing to do with him. This is about the bottom dwelling scum sucking pond scum that goes by the screen name Martin Hyde. The lowest most vile sort of poser that exists. > > Lets get back to the point of this thread. Telling Martin what a shit eating scumbag fucktard with absolutely no redeaming qualities he is. > > Hyde if you ever served, which I doubt, you make all veterans ashamed. You bring dishonor to those who served, especially those who served with you. You shoulod have been drummed out of the service and your name should be stricken from the rolls. > > Have a nice day asshole. I believe myself and **What Exit?** owe you an apology. We were obviously trying to be too subtle. Our only excuse is we do not have your eloquence and command of language. I can only reiterate you sentiments and say fuck the fucking fucker. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/207 "2006-02-14T03:32:57Z")
> [@](#): > > The Flying Dutchman: To answer the question for you I must have your view on how an anti-religious bigot would react to this issue of military funding. No offense intended to you, but you cannot answer **Martin’s** questions for him. It was intended to draw out _his_ own knowledge. It is he who might consider “inquiring within” about the statement that he previously made. The statements that I made about myself are true, but chosen specifically because of **Martin’s** statements here. I don’t know how an anti-religious bigot would react to the issue of military funding. I would think that would depend on the particular anti-religious bigot – although I would not reduce anyone to such a label myself. I was using someone else’s label. I am open to many religious traditions including those other than my own. I also recognize freedom of independent thought – which is one of the foundations of our country. **Martin** , consider _practicing_ that which you wish the chaplains to offer to others in service to their country. You and I both know that in your mind you answered my question. You cannot be that dishonest with yourself forever. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/208 "2006-02-14T10:25:00Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > Isn’t that already done? A _permanent, salaried_ comedian or lap dancer, like the chaplain? No, I don’t believe it is. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/209 "2006-02-14T16:33:40Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Why do you fuckers keep getting sidetracked? This is not supposed to be a discussion about chaplains in the military, that in GD. This is not supposed to be a love fest for lefty and elvis, that belongs in MPSIMS. > > This is a Pitting of the most worthless degenerate scumbag loser to grace the boards. One who falsely claims to have served in the military. One that is a retarded partisan hack for a party that wants nothing to do with him. This is about the bottom dwelling scum sucking pond scum that goes by the screen name Martin Hyde. The lowest most vile sort of poser that exists. > > Lets get back to the point of this thread. Telling Martin what a shit eating scumbag fucktard with absolutely no redeaming qualities he is. > > Hyde if you ever served, which I doubt, you make all veterans ashamed. You bring dishonor to those who served, especially those who served with you. You shoulod have been drummed out of the service and your name should be stricken from the rolls. > > Have a nice day asshole. For expressing his opinion? Aren’t you being a tad extreme? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/210 "2006-02-14T16:39:41Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > For expressing his opinion? Aren’t you being a tad extreme? No he really isn’t. This might be his best gem. > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > There’s no “cause” here. The issue of military chaplains is settled, they are never going away, and there’s nothing you can ever do about it. For me to have a “cause” would mean that there’s some sort of issue at hand, this isn’t an issue. It’s like saying one has a “cause” when one recognizes that the United States is never going to change its flag to an orange and black triangle. > > Also, the majority of this board is nothing but the representation of the worst and most despicable section of America. Degenerates, the mentally ill, the unwashed masses of extreme leftism that are literally a cancer upon mainstream society. The _more_ credible I’m held by a bunch of degenerates the worse off I am as a person. But his others in this thread are almost as dreadful. Jim ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/211 "2006-02-14T16:46:41Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > No he really isn’t. This might be his best gem. > > > [@Martin Hyde](#): > > > > Also, the majority of this board is nothing but the representation of the worst and most despicable section of America. Degenerates, the mentally ill, the unwashed masses of extreme leftism that are literally a cancer upon mainstream society. The _more_ credible I’m held by a bunch of degenerates the worse off I am as a person. > > Jim So is this ongoing trainwreck over this? Or over what **Otto** called him out on in the OP. 'Cause at this point, it seems more like a “Let’s Pile On And Kick Someone While They’re Down!” sort of “Verbal Wilding” than the Pitting **Otto** started. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/212 "2006-02-14T16:53:20Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > So is this ongoing trainwreck over this? Or over what **Otto** called him out on in the OP. > > 'Cause at this point, it seems more like a “Let’s Pile On And Kick Someone While They’re Down!” sort of “Verbal Wilding” than the Pitting **Otto** started. Up to Otto or the Mods to say. Martin went from some stupid statements about an easily defended point to gross stupidity and insulting with the broad brush most of us dopers. He offers no apologies for it except a very conditional one. My guess is this pitting is not yet complete. Jim ---
**Author:** ![rayh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@rayh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rayh)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/213 "2006-02-14T17:03:13Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > So is this ongoing trainwreck over this? Or over what **Otto** called him out on in the OP. > > 'Cause at this point, it seems more like a “Let’s Pile On And Kick Someone While They’re Down!” sort of “Verbal Wilding” than the Pitting **Otto** started. Some pittings are deserved. Some pittees react with humour and/or apologies. Some continue to defend their position sensibly and rationally. If you say something so outrageously stupid then you can expect to be pitted on it. To then come into the pitting and say something even more pathetic expect to be kicked. Sometimes the only sane thing to do is kick someone while they’re down, in the hope they won’t get up again and say something even more idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/214 "2006-02-14T17:09:36Z")
> [@rayh](#): > > Some pittings are deserved. Some pittees react with humour and/or apologies. Some continue to defend their position sensibly and rationally. > > If you say something so outrageously stupid then you can expect to be pitted on it. To then come into the pitting and say something even more pathetic expect to be kicked. > > Sometimes the only sane thing to do is kick someone while they’re down, in the hope they won’t get up again and say something even more idiotic. I wasn’t talking about the original Pitting, back on page one. I was wondering why anyone who doesn’t respect **Martin’s** opinions wrt the OP would also respect his opinions on their character enough to respond, for several pages, with such vitriol. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/215 "2006-02-14T17:14:07Z")
**askeptic** , what leads you to think Martin Hyde never served in the Army? ``` Curious, Larry Borgia, proud mentally ill degenerate. (Though I do wash and I'm not a leftist.) ``` ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/216 "2006-02-14T17:50:56Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Why do you fuckers keep getting sidetracked? This is not supposed to be a discussion about chaplains in the military, that in GD. This is not supposed to be a love fest for lefty and elvis, that belongs in MPSIMS. > > This is a Pitting of the most worthless degenerate scumbag loser to grace the boards. One who falsely claims to have served in the military. Speaking of sidetracked, whence the assertion he falsely claims to have served? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/217 "2006-02-14T18:47:47Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > For expressing his opinion? Aren’t you being a tad extreme? Oh come on, this is such a lame dodge. The fact that something is an opinion does not make it any less revolting. “Blacks are inferior” is an opinion, too. What Martin said to start this Pitting was stupid and pure flamebait, what he went on to say is simply over the line. > [@ExTank](#): > > 'Cause at this point, it seems more like a “Let’s Pile On And Kick Someone While They’re Down!” sort of “Verbal Wilding” than the Pitting Otto started. You’ve been here since '99, and you haven’t seen plenty of Pittings where the Pitee says something so earthshakingly stupid and offensive that it becomes the new focus of the thread? > [@ExTank](#): > > I was wondering why anyone who doesn’t respect Martin’s opinions wrt the OP would also respect his opinions on their character enough to respond, for several pages, with such vitriol. What does respect have to do with it? Phred, Coulter, Chick, etc… are routinely Pitted. Nobody here respects them. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/218 "2006-02-14T18:51:10Z")
> [@photopat](#): > > As a semiregular poster and an avowed agnostic/atheist let me just say I don’t personally have any problem with the military chaplain service _provided_ the chaplains are able and willing to provide services/sacraments in any and all religions _and_ provide nonreligious counselling service to those who prefer it, regardless of their own personal denomination. I feel that qualifies under the 1st amendment since it at least hypothetically gives equal footing to all belief systems. As long as those requirements are met I’m okay with it. Otherwise, no way. If the military brass are in the habit of proselytizing for their own brand of religion among the troops, and _especially_ if they use belief systems as litmus tests for promotions, then the system is fucked up. I’ve never served so I don’t know that those things happen, but I have heard stories. Then your wish is granted. In my time in the Army, I was never encouraged or discouraged from attending religious services, by leadership or the Chaplain Corps. But I had on occasion spoken to chaplains about this, that, and the other, and was glad for their advice. Capt. Dave Brown was our battalion chaplain in DS/DS, and was a stand-up guy. He acted as morale officer, getting books, games, magazines, and videos to all the troops. He stopped by each unit in our battalion at least once a day, making rounds, talking (and more importantly, listening) to just about everyone. No problem was too big for him to at least get started on solving for any soldier who needed help that they couldn’t get otherwise through other Army channels. Our company commander’s preagnant wife was hit by a drunk driver, losing her leg, and her unborn child (their first) to the accident shortly before our deployment, and being close to our Company leadership, I know it was Chaplain Brown who helped our CO and his wife through the ordeal with non-religious emotional counselling. Being a Chaplain in the Army is about a lot more than holding religious services for those who believe; and even if they didn’t hold religious services, the function they fullfill is just as vital, and necessary, to the health and well-being of the troops as chow, docs, and dentists. ---
**Author:** ![photopat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e95f7d/32.png) [@photopat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/photopat)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/219 "2006-02-14T19:14:21Z")
Thanks **ExTank**. That’s good to hear and he sounds like a good guy. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2006, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/220 "2006-02-14T19:52:35Z")
> [@photopat](#): > > Thanks **ExTank**. That’s good to hear and he sounds like a good guy. I am an agnostic who found the Ships Chaplains to be good guys. Besides running the Library for the ship, they helped out one of my friends who was going through a difficult time with his wife. She had cheated on him and he had cheated on her. They were both only 20. As a 20 year old, I and most of our friends had no advise or help for them. But the RC Chaplain first helped him and then both him and his wife. I believe he was Episcopalian. I rarely dealt with the Chaplains but he seemed like a nice guy and had a good reputation on board. Jim [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078.md?page=12)