# Martin Hyde, you're a fucking idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078 "2006-02-12T04:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/161 "2006-02-13T14:14:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What the hell is a “blanket party?” > **[Urban Dictionary: blanket party](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blanket%2Bparty&r=f)** > > A violent group attack on an unpopular GI. Usually done in the middle of the night, in a barracks situation, the victim’s head and body is covered with a blanket (preventing him/her from fighting back or identifying assaillants). Occassionally these... ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/162 "2006-02-13T14:15:43Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What the hell is a “blanket party?” In the middle of the night, 4-6 recruits hold down the Blanket of the recipient so he can’t move. Then most of the company (60-80 men) will pass by the bunk and either punch the victim or with a cake of soap in a sock, whack him. It is an ancient tradition. Usually the blanket holders are also changed with telling the victim why he is getting a blanker party. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/163 "2006-02-13T14:46:25Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Also, as to the thread title, I respectfully disagree. I agree. There’s no way someone so stupid is getting laid; hence no fucking. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/164 "2006-02-13T14:47:41Z")
Ah, I see. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/165 "2006-02-13T15:18:34Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **Martin** , you left my question unanswered: > > Although we disagree about the source of funding, I offered my question in a respectful manner and it is a straightforward question. > > If it will be helpful to you in your accessment of me, I will provide some additional information: > > I was an English teacher in the inner-city for twenty years, now the grandmother of four, a member of Amnesty International, a former editorial assistant for the United Methodist Publishing House, as politically liberal as most here, a Christian and a continuing survivor of mental illness. > > Does my view on chaplains as stated above sound to you like I am an anti-religious bigot? To answer the question for you I must have your view on how an anti-religious bigot would react to this issue of military funding. At the moment, those who oppose military funding for chaplains even amongst the athiests here are a small minority suggesting to me that if there is such a thing as bigotry towards religion within the SDMB population it will be expressed within the small population opposed to military funding. If it walks like a duck… However my sense is that the discussion here is somewhat frivolous without any political consequences because no one here even remotely believes we’ll see the day that the US armed forces will discontinue offering chaplains. No one here appears to make a big deal about it . Your bio doesn’t really help either. You could be an active member in any religion and still be a religious bigot. Now **Otto** , I have a hypothetical question for you. If the military dropped the provision for chaplains, and all the religious people refused to enlist leaving the armed forces with atheists alone would you change your mind ? Just how deep is your opposition? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/166 "2006-02-13T15:40:55Z")
> [@The Flying Dutchman](#): > > If the military dropped the provision for chaplains, and all the religious people refused to enlist leaving the armed forces with atheists alone… is this a bad thing? Sort of like a law that leaves the army with only straight people; how do they manage? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/167 "2006-02-13T15:47:33Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > In the middle of the night, 4-6 recruits hold down the Blanket of the recipient so he can’t move. Then most of the company (60-80 men) will pass by the bunk and either punch the victim or with a cake of soap in a sock, whack him. > It is an ancient tradition. > Usually the blanket holders are also changed with telling the victim why he is getting a blanker party. > > Jim I just wanted to point out that the blanket goes over the victims head so that he can’t identify any assailants. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/168 "2006-02-13T15:56:00Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I just wanted to point out that the blanket goes over the victims head so that he can’t identify any assailants. A good and vital point. Sorry I missed that. Jim ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/169 "2006-02-13T17:07:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I don’t go so far as to endorse the comment that there is no logical reason to oppose chaplains. Yet you won’t acknowledge that there is one, either > [@](#): > > I also believe that there are some people who oppose chaplains simply because of anti-religious motives. …I have no idea whether any particular person fits into this category. But the concept of averages practically demands that some such folks exist. \*Very \* nice, Counselor. Let’s translate this from your native Weaselese into English, shall we? “There might be some people around who think this, and if they do I know why they would, and I’ll go ahead and condemn them for their ignorant attitudes. But meanwhile I’ll hide from responsibility by acknowledging that they may not even exist.” > [@](#): > > It’s difficult to unmask such folks, because - no fools they - the shield of First Amendment purism is readily available. A most curious statement from someone who pleads for a clear reading of the text when doing so \*supports \* the conclusion he wants to reach. Here, however, since it doesn’t, a “purist” reading of the Constitution can only be an excuse, offered as a dishonest rationalization, for a position that happens to differ from the one you prefer. And you refuse to admit that you just might simply be wrong, much less than the propositions you claim to be principles for you could be mere flags of convenience. Tell us, what’s the difference between you and **Martin Hyde** , other than selection of words? Simple, \*he \* knows who he’s talking about, and \*he \* stands by his statements. But, as you’ve also demonstrated in your “War on Christmas” thread that may hold the current record for silliness on this board, you and he are both equally a combination of Republican-partisan ideologue and fundamentalist-Christian zealot, equally unable to see that any other view can be honestly or thoughtfully held, and unfortunately you are equally hollow at the core. ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/170 "2006-02-13T18:14:04Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What the hell is a “blanket party?” [It’s the wettest, wildest game in town.](http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005AUK6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/171 "2006-02-13T18:18:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > But, as you’ve also demonstrated in your “War on Christmas” thread that may hold the current record for silliness on this board, you and he are both equally a combination of Republican-partisan ideologue and fundamentalist-Christian zealot, equally unable to see that any other view can be honestly or thoughtfully held, and unfortunately you are equally hollow at the core. Actually, what he’s demonstrated is a willingness to listen to what folks say and to change his mind when confronted with strong arguments. He’s also demonstrated a willingness to stay in a thread where he’s outnumbered a couple dozen to one. He’s got my respect on both counts. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/172 "2006-02-13T18:34:08Z")
He could get credit for being willing to change his mind if he’d ever say _why_, or what his new position _is_, or for that matter leave the old one behind. In fact, it was not “strong arguments” but simply due to his cites being unanimously shown to be falsified that led to his “change of mind”, and as for a new position he’s simply changed “war” to “attack”. Keeping the thread alive despite everyone, \*everyone \* else’s showing him he’s again full of shit could be charitably described as simple stubbornness, were it not for the obvious reasons he’s doing so. If you wish to respect unprincipled weaseling, partisan ranting, and religious zealotry, you’re welcome to. But don’t pretend it’s anything more. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/173 "2006-02-13T18:38:55Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He could get credit for being willing to change his mind if he’d ever say _why_, or what his new position _is_, or for that matter leave the old one behind. In fact, it was not “strong arguments” but simply due to his cites being unanimously shown to be falsified that led to his “change of mind”, and as for a new position he’s simply changed “war” to “attack”. First, cites showing his position to be incorrect kinda qualify as “strong arguments.” Second, it is extremely disingenuous to characterize his change of position in the way that you did. > [@](#): > > If you wish to respect unprincipled weaseling, partisan ranting, and religious zealotry, you’re welcome to. But don’t pretend it’s anything more. Believe me, I don’t respect unprincipled weaseling or partisan ranting, **Elvislives**. I also don’t pretend it’s anything more. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/174 "2006-02-13T18:57:35Z")
> [@The Flying Dutchman](#): > > Now **Otto** , I have a hypothetical question for you. > > If the military dropped the provision for chaplains, and all the religious people refused to enlist leaving the armed forces with atheists alone would you change your mind ? No, and I don’t understand why you would think I would. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/175 "2006-02-13T19:03:32Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > First, cites showing his position to be incorrect kinda qualify as “strong arguments.” I reserve that appelation for arguments that involve reasoning and persuasion, not simply showing that he’s making bullshit up again and won’t admit it. That’s kinderspiel, but if it’s enough to get your respect, fine. > [@](#): > > Second, it is extremely disingenuous to characterize his change of position in the way that you did. Direct quoting is \*disingenuous \* to you? Have you actually \*read \* that trainwreck? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/176 "2006-02-13T19:45:12Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > Actually Marty, your statement referred to “this board”. Let’s look at it again. > > Quite the broad brush, eh? Or do you now retract this statement? Actually my statement referred to the “majority of this board.” I will retract that and clarify. The majority of this board is a huge number of posters, many of whom don’t post regularly or never to almost never post about political issues. I was overly broad in my statement because of that fact. A more proper way for me to have worded it would have been, “the majority of the politically outspoken dopers are…” insert the rest there however it grammatically fits. > [@](#): > > I have no duty to provide information here. I’ve provided it for individual posters whom I have found to be ignorant, annoying, bigoted, and contemptible in the past. I did so more on the principle that I was serving the fight against ignorance for the greater fellowship of SDMB board members. While I still hold out such hope for the greater fellowship, I find that your words here make me want to re-think that principle. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/177 "2006-02-13T20:07:39Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > Actually my statement referred to the “majority of this board.” I will retract that and clarify. The majority of this board is a huge number of posters, many of whom don’t post regularly or never to almost never post about political issues. I was overly broad in my statement because of that fact. A more proper way for me to have worded it would have been, “the majority of the politically outspoken dopers are…” insert the rest there however it grammatically fits. This is why I’ll always be happy we can’t edit our own posts. All you’ve done is clarify your target. The leftists of this board are not mentally ill. Unwashed and degenerate, maybe. Mentally ill, maybe. But we are not literally a cancer, for sure! Take it back or defend it, don’t mince around like this. You’re letting me down, sweetiepie. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/178 "2006-02-13T20:08:28Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > > [@Guinastasia](#): > > > > What the hell is a “blanket party?” > > [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blanket+party&r=f](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blanket+party&r=f) Jim Belushi gets this treatment in _The Principal_. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/179 "2006-02-13T20:11:49Z")
> [@cthiax](#): > > This is why I’ll always be happy we can’t edit our own posts. > > All you’ve done is clarify your target. The leftists of this board are not mentally ill. Unwashed and degenerate, maybe. Mentally ill, maybe. But we are not literally a cancer, for sure! > > Take it back or defend it, don’t mince around like this. You’re letting me down, sweetiepie. I did take back what I said, I don’t know the political standgins of most of the board, thus it was wrong for me to generalize. However, I do know the political affiliation of the politically outspoken SDMB, and that population does indeed represent the worst in society, unwashed degenerates and the mentally ill. You being a prime example of a mentally ill degenerate. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2006, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078/180 "2006-02-13T20:21:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Direct quoting is \*disingenuous \* to you? Have you actually \*read \* that trainwreck? I have. If I quote his actual position to you, stated in his own words, and if it’s not what you said, will you apologize to **Bricker** and to me for misrepresenting him? Danile [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-hyde-youre-a-fucking-idiot/344078.md?page=10)