# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2282 "2012-06-03T23:30:03Z")
Why would the coroner lie, dude? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2283 "2012-06-03T23:39:03Z")
If you think Martin was over 6 feet tall and yet weighed only 158 lbs, basically you’re saying the boy was a noodle with legs. Since when did ectomorphs become heavy weight fighters? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2284 "2012-06-03T23:44:23Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > No way he’s 5’11’’ . That is contrary to reality. Don’t know what to tell ya. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2285 "2012-06-04T00:01:25Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > That is contrary to reality. Don’t know what to tell ya. Look at the Youtube video. What can you believe, your lying eyes, or what’s printed? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2286 "2012-06-04T00:09:01Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > Look at the Youtube video. What can you believe, your lying eyes, or what’s printed? I believe the coroner, who measured him. Besides, everybody knows the camera adds 6 inches. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2287 "2012-06-04T00:23:13Z")
Again, Martin being super tall only undermines the idea that he had physical advantage over Zimmerman. It’s mass that matters most. Still, I gotta love the attempt to turn the convo back to Martin’s size, as if that is the real story worth talking about. Keep up the good work, Poochy. You almost had us there for a minute. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2288 "2012-06-04T01:41:37Z")
I’ll go along with the thoughts that if he was this stupid talking on a recorded phone, I can’t wait to see what his text messages said. Talking in code by dropping the amount by 1,000. Who would have ever be able to figure that one out? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2289 "2012-06-04T01:59:19Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m not sure that’s true. He’s effectively lied to the court. Bricker can chime in but that may be prosecutable in unto itself. “Effectively lying,” probably not. Perjury is a crime, but it has a high bar. But give me the specific statement he made that was false or misleading, and I can give you my best guess on whether it’s prosecutable. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2290 "2012-06-04T04:48:54Z")
It’s a security surveillance camera. They’re not designed to take movies for theatrical release. They’re supposed to record all the activities inside the whole store. So they often have wide-angle lenses that capture a wide picture. This means the objects in the picture get stretched side-to-side and look wider than they actually are. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2291 "2012-06-04T13:31:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Did you believe him before this? Not me, no. But I understood how others could find his account of the incident plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2292 "2012-06-04T14:29:22Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > Not me, no. But I understood how others could find his account of the incident plausible. So what’s stopping someone from still finding his account of the incident plausible? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2293 "2012-06-04T16:38:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So what’s stopping someone from still finding his account of the incident plausible? It doesn’t change the physical evidence as it applies to his story but it poisons his credibility. Now his attorney is looking at pre-trial damage control. If his attorney was given the passport and the funds are not available directly to Zimmerman then that needs to come out. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2294 "2012-06-04T17:23:16Z")
[http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-donations-spike-return-jail/story?id=16490782#.T8zpPrD-8oo](http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-donations-spike-return-jail/story?id=16490782#.T8zpPrD-8oo) This must be rather frustrating for some people that Zimmerman is actually profiting from being in jail. He is probably saving some money on security also, since that is Seminole County’s problem now. I wonder if they will be in any hurry to ask for a new bond hearing as long as the donations are up. The new booking photos seem to indicate Zimmerman has picked up a few pounds. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2295 "2012-06-04T18:57:03Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > This must be rather frustrating for some people that Zimmerman is actually profiting from being in jail. It only proves the old saying: A fool and his money are soon parted. Maybe after taking a few tequila shots, a small part of me might be able to understand why folks would donate to him early on in this. But now? After evidence emerges that this guy can’t even be trusted to tell the time without lying? And lying ridiculously badly? You really have to wonder what would make a person give money to him, out of all the causes and charities out there that could benefit from some discretionary cash. Yes, he deserves a fair trial, but so too does everyone in jail right now, some of whom are facing serious time for offenses far less than murder. But the irony is that Zimmerman wouldn’t be in jail right now, had it not been for all those donations he received. Because of his donors’ misplaced generosity, he is exactly where people wanted him to be on the night Martin was shot. So I can’t be too mad at them. If they want to help him dig himself in even deeper, while simultaneously emptying their coffers during these bad economic times, I am completely okay with this. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2296 "2012-06-04T19:15:25Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > But the irony is that Zimmerman wouldn’t be in jail right now, had it not been for all those donations he received. Because of his donors’ misplaced generosity, he is exactly where people wanted him to be on the night Martin was shot. So I can’t be too mad at them. If they want to help him dig himself in even deeper, while simultaneously emptying their coffers during these bad economic times, I am completely okay with this. Amen to that. People who like Zimmerman now have less money, Zimmerman is back in jail because of it. A total win-win situation if ever I saw one. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2297 "2012-06-04T22:41:30Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Amen to that. People who like Zimmerman now have less money, Zimmerman is back in jail because of it. A total win-win situation if ever I saw one. So Zimmerman is out the $15,000 he paid the bail bondsman. It might take him a week to make it up, if he hasn’t already. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2298 "2012-06-04T22:48:04Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > This must be rather frustrating for some people that Zimmerman is actually profiting from being in jail. Frustrated? No. But I am puzzled that this incident is making people donate more. Whether you think he is a murderer or not, it is clear that the guy lied (or let his wife lie for him, which is worse because now her ass might get in trouble). I would think-- if people really cared about justice and viewing this thing objectively–that this would sway their opinion to “neutral”, at the very least. Not, “OMG! Let’s give that poor man some MORE money so he can be free from the injustice of it all!!!” I’m sure the donors are still wiping away froth generated by Al Sharpton’s involvement. But their participation is a lot more distracting and detrimental than Sharpton’s or anyone else’s, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2299 "2012-06-04T22:54:35Z")
> [@](#): > > His lawyer said that Zimmerman dreaded going back to jail. “He didn’t like it when he was there … He’s frustrated that he had to prove his own innocence.” > **[ABC News – Breaking News, Latest News and Videos](https://abcnews.go.com/US/)** > > Get the latest breaking news across the U.S. on ABCNews.com I can only laugh at this quote. I am shocked–shocked, I say–to hear that anyone actually dreads going to jail. Way to pull at the heart strings here. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2300 "2012-06-04T23:52:14Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Frustrated? No. But I am puzzled that this incident is making people donate more. Whether you think he is a murderer or not, it is clear that the guy lied (or let his wife lie for him, which is worse because now her ass might get in trouble). I would think-- if people really cared about justice and viewing this thing objectively–that this would sway their opinion to “neutral”, at the very least. Not, “OMG! Let’s give that poor man some MORE money so he can be free from the injustice of it all!!!” > > I’m sure the donors are still wiping away froth generated by Al Sharpton’s involvement. But their participation is a lot more distracting and detrimental than Sharpton’s or anyone else’s, IMHO. If you consider that there are a lot of people that think the indictment is politically motivated and Zimmerman shouldn’t have to post bond in the first place, then it makes perfectly good sense. They figure the establishment indicted Zimmerman to get Sharpton et al to leave town and don’t care if Zimmerman is innocent of guilty. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2301 "2012-06-05T01:33:42Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So what’s stopping someone from still finding his account of the incident plausible? Low IQ? Unmedicated mental illness? Obsessive fear of hypothetical new changes to gun laws causing short attention spans and episodes of frothing paranoia? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=114) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=116)