# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2302 "2012-06-05T02:45:08Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > If you consider that there are a lot of people that think the indictment is politically motivated and Zimmerman shouldn’t have to post bond in the first place, then it makes perfectly good sense. They figure the establishment indicted Zimmerman to get Sharpton et al to leave town and don’t care if Zimmerman is innocent of guilty. Which makes them morally bankrupt and stupid. Giving free money to a possible murderer just because you’re convinced the State has acted politically is supposed to do what, exactly? It doesn’t punish the establishment and it doesn’t benefit the public. All it does is reward a man for taking another person’s life, thus increasing the likelihood that someone else will do what he did. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2303 "2012-06-05T03:17:12Z")
Since when is paying a lawyer considered “profiting?” O’Mara estimates that defending Zimmerman will cost between $500,000 and $1 million. The gun nuts and the mouth-breathers better keep those cards and letters coming, folks. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2304 "2012-06-05T11:07:39Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Which makes them morally bankrupt and stupid. Giving free money to a possible murderer just because you’re convinced the State has acted politically is supposed to do what, exactly? It doesn’t punish the establishment and it doesn’t benefit the public. All it does is reward a man for taking another person’s life, thus increasing the likelihood that someone else will do what he did. But Martin had THC in his system! ---
**Author:** ![PotLuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@PotLuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PotLuck)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2305 "2012-06-05T23:50:33Z")
According to his [defense attorneys](http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html), Zimmerman lied to the courts about the PayPal account because of his “fear, mistrust and confusion”. Oh my, how poorly he functions under those conditions. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2306 "2012-06-05T23:55:24Z")
> [@PotLuck](#): > > According to his [defense attorneys](http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html), Zimmerman lied to the courts about the PayPal account because of his “fear, mistrust and confusion”. Oh my, how poorly he functions under those conditions. Hey, you know who else might have been afraid and confused? ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2307 "2012-06-06T00:01:52Z")
According to discovery documents, GZ made almost 150 telephone calls over an 8-day period while in jail. [http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press\_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf](http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf) I don’t understand how this is even possible. Was he in jail or was he camping out in a telemarketing call center? Help me figure this out, yall. I don’t even know if I’ve made 150 phone calls in my entire life as a free woman. But this guy, while in jail, did enough reaching out and touching someone to generate 3 CDs worth of data in little over a week. Again, I must reiterate how eager I am to see these text messages. It will also be interesting to see if he incriminated himself in other ways in those taped phone conversations. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2308 "2012-06-06T00:03:49Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Hey, you know who else might have been afraid and confused? Am I the one who read this and immediately thought Hitler? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2309 "2012-06-06T00:30:39Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > According to discovery documents, GZ made almost 150 telephone calls over an 8-day period while in jail. > > [http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press\_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf](http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf) > > I don’t understand how this is even possible. Was he in jail or was he camping out in a telemarketing call center? Help me figure this out, yall. I don’t even know if I’ve made 150 phone calls in my entire life as a free woman. But this guy, while in jail, did enough reaching out and touching someone to generate 3 CDs worth of data in little over a week. > > Again, I must reiterate how eager I am to see these text messages. It will also be interesting to see if he incriminated himself in other ways in those taped phone conversations. Yes. I am almost certain that the convincing evidence that caused the state to file is in those messages. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2310 "2012-06-06T00:59:25Z")
I didn’t know you were allowed that much phone time in jail. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2311 "2012-06-06T02:10:58Z")
From the link in **PotLuck’s** post: > [@](#): > > O’Mara has said that his client is “frustrated” that the judge’s ruling compelled him to come out of hiding and return to jail. > > “You need to realize we’re still talking about a 28-year-old who’s being charged with a crime he does not believe he committed, and his whole life has been turned upside down,” the lawyer said. “So I think that it all needs to be kept in context.” So Zimmerman is frustrated that the judge caught him in his lies. Lies induced by the stress of everyone giving him a hard time for killing someone–an act resulting from a confrontation that he could have easily avoided by simply exhibiting the wisdom of a typical 28-year-old. He sounds like a guy who has no problem eschewing personal responsibility. So tell me again why he has so many conservatives giving him money? I have no idea if O’Mara is a good lawyer or not, but he’s really not making me feel sorry for his client. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2312 "2012-06-06T02:25:32Z")
A part of me wonders if O’Mara secretly hates Zimmerman, because he has basically admitted his client is a liar who thinks with his emotions. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2313 "2012-06-06T03:35:49Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I didn’t know you were allowed that much phone time in jail. I think some cells have phones (heh, “cell” phones) in them, but the thing is that they take advantage of the _captive_ audience, and gouge people on the fees for using them, so they don’t mind at all if you use them a lot. But the cost wasn’t a problem for Zimmy, since he apparently has so many admirers willing to finance him. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2314 "2012-06-06T16:10:11Z")
[http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Zimmerman-Trayvon-Angela-Corey/2012/06/05/id/441305](http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Zimmerman-Trayvon-Angela-Corey/2012/06/05/id/441305) > [@](#): > > In her motion to revoke his bail, Corey argued that Zimmerman “intentionally deceived the court” by making “false representations.” The same can be said about prosecutor Corey. She too misled and deceived the court by submitting an affidavit that relied on a review of photographs and other reports that showed injuries to Zimmerman, without disclosing the existence of these highly relevant injuries. > > Even if Angela Corey’s actions were debatable, which I believe they were not, I certainly have the right, as a professor who has taught and practiced criminal law nearly 50 years, to express a contrary view. The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works, and to try to get him disbarred, is the epitome of unprofessionalism. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2315 "2012-06-06T17:38:41Z")
Dershowitz is a joke. In his world there are no criminals, just corrupt cops and political prosecutors. He should put his money where his mouth is and rush down to Florida to join the defense team. Zimmerman would fit in nicely with all the other scumbags he’s defended. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2316 "2012-06-06T19:12:44Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Dershowitz is a joke. In his world there are no criminals, just corrupt cops and political prosecutors. He should put his money where his mouth is and rush down to Florida to join the defense team. Zimmerman would fit in nicely with all the other scumbags he’s defended. If what you say is true, then I guess Angela Corey must have a very thin skin for spending 40 minutes on the phone berating him and threatening to sue him. It wasn’t like Dershowitz wasn’t the only lawyer that had negative published comments about her probable cause affidavit. I wonder if all of them got this treatment? Is Dershowitz even licensed to practice law in Florida? ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2012, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2317 "2012-06-06T22:42:42Z")
The Tampa Bay Times has conducted a [comprehensive review](http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/) of all known SYG cases and has found [highly variable outcomes.](http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1233133.ece) One of the problems in doing such a review is that since SYG results in immunity from charges even being filed, there are often no official records kept for some cases. It makes for some very interesting and very depressing reading. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2318 "2012-06-07T01:04:51Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > The Tampa Bay Times has conducted a [comprehensive review](http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/) of all known SYG cases and has found [highly variable outcomes.](http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1233133.ece) One of the problems in doing such a review is that since SYG results in immunity from charges even being filed, there are often no official records kept for some cases. > > It makes for some very interesting and very depressing reading. An interesting article, but they don’t provide statistics from before the SYG passed to provide insight into the numbers they provide. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2319 "2012-06-07T01:47:25Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > If what you say is true, then I guess Angela Corey must have a very thin skin for spending 40 minutes on the phone berating him and threatening to sue him. It wasn’t like Dershowitz wasn’t the only lawyer that had negative published comments about her probable cause affidavit. I wonder if all of them got this treatment? Is Dershowitz even licensed to practice law in Florida? I don’t get why anyone should put any stock in Dershowitz’s opinion. The court is in the best position to say whether Corey has been deceitful, not some armchair spectator who thinks he’s special because he has JD behind his name. He knows as much about this case as Junebug the gas attendant. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2320 "2012-06-07T02:21:17Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I don’t get why anyone should put any stock in Dershowitz’s opinion. The court is in the best position to say whether Corey has been deceitful, not some armchair spectator who thinks he’s special because he has JD behind his name. He knows as much about this case as Junebug the gas attendant. Apparently, Corey took his opinion seriously. Maybe you should explain why he touched a nerve and she ignored the local attorneys and commentators saying pretty much the same thing. What the Jacksonville Papers and TV stations say should be 100 times as important to her than Dershowitz’s articles. She sure hasn’t scored any points by opposing publishing the discovery evidence. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2012, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2321 "2012-06-07T03:31:17Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > She sure hasn’t scored any points by opposing publishing the discovery evidence. The defense joined her to oppose the publishing of additional evidence, so I guess any points for that balance out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=117)