# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 121
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2402 "2012-06-12T19:41:47Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > …Sounds Pretty Harsh. I expect Zimmerman will either see big increase in bond or be denied bond. > … While IANALawyer, it sounds like this ruling has already decided this: > [@](#): > > …The question, then, is whether the bind should simply be increased or whether he should be detained on a no bond status… > > The Defendant’s bond is hereby **revoked** … He shall be held… on a **no bond status**. I interpret this to mean that if Zimmerman wants out again, he will have to appeal a decision that’s already been made. As I understand these things, that means the bar to him getting bail is now considerably higher than it was set before. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2403 "2012-06-12T19:57:04Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > Here is a link to the actual order. > > [http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press\_Releases/order%20revoking%20bond.pdf](http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/order%20revoking%20bond.pdf) To me, the most interesting tidbit in that order is that, when enumerating the points for and against setting bond, Judge Lester opined that “the evidence against him is strong,” referring to the consideration of “the character and strength of the evidence or the probability of guilt.” ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2404 "2012-06-12T20:04:50Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > To me, the most interesting tidbit in that order is that, when enumerating the points for and against setting bond, Judge Lester opined that “the evidence against him is strong,” referring to the consideration of “the character and strength of the evidence or the probability of guilt.” But Martin had THC in his system! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2405 "2012-06-12T20:14:31Z")
I’m wondering whether this judge’s determination that Zimmerman’s wife lied can be used against her at trial should she end up being charged with perjury because of her testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2406 "2012-06-12T20:21:33Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I’m wondering whether this judge’s determination that Zimmerman’s wife lied can be used against her at trial should she end up being charged with perjury because of her testimony. No. The judge’s determination that the matter was material can be admitted into evidence, but the question of whether she lied is one of ultimate fact for the jury to decide. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2407 "2012-06-12T20:25:31Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > [http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-revoked-order-20120612\_1\_bond-decision-jailhouse-phone-george-zimmerman](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-bond-revoked-order-20120612_1_bond-decision-jailhouse-phone-george-zimmerman) > > Sounds Pretty Harsh. I expect Zimmerman will either see big increase in bond or be denied bond. > > Here is a link to the actual order. > > [http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press\_Releases/order%20revoking%20bond.pdf](http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/order%20revoking%20bond.pdf) That order denies bond completely. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2408 "2012-06-12T20:39:50Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > To me, the most interesting tidbit in that order is that, when enumerating the points for and against setting bond, Judge Lester opined that “the evidence against him is strong,” referring to the consideration of “the character and strength of the evidence or the probability of guilt.” Especially as this is the same judge as who would be the one to rule on a SYG hearing. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2409 "2012-06-12T20:53:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No. The judge’s determination that the matter was material can be admitted into evidence, but the question of whether she lied is one of ultimate fact for the jury to decide. [http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/12/george\_zimmerman\_s\_w.html](http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/12/george_zimmerman_s_w.html) ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2410 "2012-06-12T21:21:47Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > But Martin had THC in his system! is the new ‘But Clinton got a blow job.’ ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2411 "2012-06-12T21:26:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That order denies bond completely. There’s a new bond hearing scheduled. Does that go out the window now? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2412 "2012-06-12T21:37:58Z")
I wonder if we’re going to see a plea bargain from Zimmerman in the next few days or weeks. Now they can use the charge against his wife to squeeze him – offer to drop charges against her if he pleads guilty, probably to some lesser charge than murder 2. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2413 "2012-06-12T21:39:05Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > [http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/12/george\_zimmerman\_s\_w.html](http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/12/george_zimmerman_s_w.html) Lol, could she have structured those transactions any more obviously?: > [@](#): > > 4/16-4/19 - Credit union records show Shellie made four different transfers of $9,990, two transfers of $9,999, and two transfers of $7,500 to George Zimmerman’s account :rolleyes: ETA: So does the IRS come after them next? ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2414 "2012-06-12T21:57:18Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I wonder if we’re going to see a plea bargain from Zimmerman in the next few days or weeks. Now they can use the charge against his wife to squeeze him – offer to drop charges against her if he pleads guilty, probably to some lesser charge than murder 2. For a misdemeanor? She could get convicted and not do any jail time at all. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2415 "2012-06-12T22:18:33Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > For a misdemeanor? She could get convicted and not do any jail time at all. Unless I am very much mistaken, it’s a felony charge, for which she is looking at up to five years. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2416 "2012-06-12T22:22:22Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > For a misdemeanor? She could get convicted and not do any jail time at all. Misdemeanor perjury? I’ve never even heard of that, but I’m willing to be educated. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2417 "2012-06-12T22:25:06Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > ETA: So does the IRS come after them next? As far as I know the contributions to Zimmerman were gifts and tax free. I was curious when the money came up and I looked it up. I guess she didn’t know those laws either? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2418 "2012-06-12T22:26:48Z")
Ah, there is such a thing. [But according to this site](http://www.ehow.com/list_6754503_perjury-laws-florida.html), her perjury in a court procedure automatically makes it a 3rd degree felony with a possible penalty of 5 years in prison. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2419 "2012-06-12T22:32:21Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > There’s a new bond hearing scheduled. Does that go out the window now? Not necessarily. No bail orders are always subject to modification, but in my opinion, Zimmerman screwed himself trying to be cute with this judge, and the judge now has every reason to keep him locked up until trial. Which doesn’t displease me in the least. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2420 "2012-06-12T22:33:27Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > As far as I know the contributions to Zimmerman were gifts and tax free. I was curious when the money came up and I looked it up. > > I guess she didn’t know those laws either? Not for tax evasion – for structuring. ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2421 "2012-06-12T22:40:31Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Not for tax evasion – for structuring. It doesn’t look like these were cash transactions, so she should be ok. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=120) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=122)