# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 138
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2742 "2012-06-28T00:08:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Acording to the EMT report, there was only one laceration on the back of his head. and based on the picture taken at the scene plus his doctor’s report there were 2. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2743 "2012-06-28T00:36:35Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > and based on the picture taken at the scene plus his doctor’s report there were 2. The picture is open to interpretation, and the doctor’s exam didn’t take place until the next day, so if you are insisting there was more than one laceration, it must have occurred after the EMT examination. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2744 "2012-06-28T00:46:17Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > Is there any evidence that was alluded in the arrest warrant that we haven’t seen yet? AFAIU, only Zimmerman’s text messages are left out. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2745 "2012-06-28T01:12:38Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > AFAIU, only Zimmerman’s text messages are left out. On what grounds? Isn’t the only exemption for a confession of some kind? What other possible reason could there be to not release them with everything else? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2746 "2012-06-28T01:19:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The picture is open to interpretation, and the doctor’s exam didn’t take place until the next day, so if you are insisting there was more than one laceration, it must have occurred after the EMT examination. You can see it in the picture. It’s not a point of contention. The Doctor’s report the next day just confirms what was photographed prior to the EMT. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2747 "2012-06-28T01:22:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > You can see it in the picture. It’s not a point of contention. Sez you. I say there is only one laceration, consistent with the EMT report. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2748 "2012-06-28T01:24:23Z")
> [@camille](#): > > On what grounds? Isn’t the only exemption for a confession of some kind? What other possible reason could there be to not release them with everything else? There is an exemption for “telecommunication records”. I don’t know how the fit text messages under it, but they did. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2749 "2012-06-28T01:35:53Z")
Heh. It looks like Zimmerman has a failure of being a no-show in federal court proceedings. Dude was fined $10,000 for failure to appear for a disposition in a civil suit that he was a plaintiff in. And did he pay this fine? What do y’all think? [http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/27/2871449/zimmerman-failed-to-appear-in.html#storylink=cpy](http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/27/2871449/zimmerman-failed-to-appear-in.html#storylink=cpy) What stands out to me is that his lawyers in this case “quit” Zimmerman, at least temporarily. So apparently in addition to everything else, he also has a established history of pissing off his own legal counsel. I seriously will not be surprised at this point if O’Mara quits too. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2750 "2012-06-28T01:52:05Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > There is an exemption for “telecommunication records”. I don’t know how the fit text messages under it, but they did. I can’t find anything about that “telecommunication exemption” in the news. I thought O’Mara was only asking for time to review them. Meanwhile, there is this “leak” (not sure how reliable the source is): > [@](#): > > [New Evidence:](http://countusin.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/new-evidence-george-zimmerman-used-n-word-in-text-message-and-e-mail/) Sources have confirmed that the prosecution team investigating the shooting death of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman have in their possession new evidence in the form of text messages and e-mails in which George Zimmerman uses the “N Word” when referring who to look out for when on patrol in his Sanford, Florida neighborhood. > > This could be the most volatile evidence yet and could be a major blow to the self-defense case Zimmerman’s legal team is trying to build. It is no secret that Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mera is motioning to seal some pieces of evidence until the trial, this could be to halt any change in public opinion that his client did not racially profile Trayvon Martin as he followed him through his neighborhood. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2751 "2012-06-28T01:53:21Z")
> [@camille](#): > > Meanwhile, there is this “leak” (not sure how reliable the source is): Note that this is from a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2752 "2012-06-28T02:07:20Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I can’t find anything about that “telecommunication exemption” in the news. I thought O’Mara was only asking for time to review them. [http://myfloridalegal.com/sun.nsf/manual/D85CDE087C3A6818852566F3007272EA](http://myfloridalegal.com/sun.nsf/manual/D85CDE087C3A6818852566F3007272EA) (d) All records supplied by a telecommunications company, as defined by s. 364.02, to an agency which contain the name, address, and telephone number of subscribers are confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2753 "2012-06-28T02:19:52Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Sez you. I say there is only one laceration, consistent with the EMT report. There are clearly [2 wounds here](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/photo-shows-george-zimmerman-head-bloodied-trayvon-martin-death-article-1.1064765) and it was documented by a DOCTOR. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2754 "2012-06-28T02:22:13Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > There are clearly [2 wounds here](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/photo-shows-george-zimmerman-head-bloodied-trayvon-martin-death-article-1.1064765) and it was documented by a DOCTOR. The EMT report said there was one laceration. Case closed. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2755 "2012-06-28T02:25:45Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Note that this is from a month ago. I saw that. It is surprising to me that there is nothing recent in the news about the texts and emails. Apparently, both sides don’t want them released (or “leaked” to the press). Thanks for the cite re the exemption. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2756 "2012-06-28T02:45:12Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The EMT report said there was one laceration. Case closed. And the photograph, which clearly shows 2 separate wounds is verified by someone with a medical degree. Yes as evidence goes I agree, case closed. He had 2 separate source of bleeding in the back of his head and that’s what the jury will see. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2757 "2012-06-28T02:49:12Z")
I don’t doubt the doctor saw two wounds, and he has no reason to lie. However, Zimmerman does, so when he shows up at the doctor with more lacerations than the EMT recorded, it raises questions. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2758 "2012-06-28T03:03:43Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I don’t doubt the doctor saw two wounds, and he has no reason to lie. However, Zimmerman does, so when he shows up at the doctor with more lacerations than the EMT recorded, it raises questions. So after the picture was taken but prior to the EMT’s arriving his head magically healed and then re-lacerated itself for the Doctor? Really? That’s the straw you’re going to hold onto? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2759 "2012-06-28T03:07:26Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > So after the picture was taken but prior to the EMT’s arriving his head magically healed and then re-lacerated itself for the Doctor? Really? That’s the straw you’re going to hold onto? Why would it need to magically heal? There was one laceration, then a day later, there were two? Your explanation? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2760 "2012-06-28T03:16:50Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Why would it need to magically heal? > > There was one laceration, then a day later, there were two? Your explanation? the picture shows 2 wounds. the police station video shows 2 wounds. The doctor notated 2 wounds. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/2761 "2012-06-28T03:19:07Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > the picture shows 2 wounds. The picture shows one wound. > [@](#): > > the police station video shows 2 wounds. The police video shows a smudge, and that is being charitable. > [@](#): > > The doctor notated 2 wounds. Stipulated. So where did the second wound come from? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=137) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=139)