# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 156
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3102 "2012-07-05T02:42:14Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > What you seem not to fully appreciate is that State of Florida already knows where John placed the fight. Us little guys can only guess and speculate about stuff that has been known to the State for several months now. And they arrested Zimmerman and charged him with murder. There is a reason for this. A reason that not even O’Mara has challenged. You seem to be actually delusional. All of John’s statements have already been made public. There isn’t any evidence from that night we haven’t seen. I don’t know what rabbit you think the prosecution is going to pull out of it’s hat, but they had a rabbit they sure didn’t use it Friday. They are reduced to threatening to release the statement of Witness#9(Veronica Zauzo), who was Zimmerman’s fiancee. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3103 "2012-07-05T02:45:10Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > Obese 204 pound, 5’7+" short legged Zimmerman isn’t going to run too many people down. IMO. Even in reasonable shape, say 50 pounds lighter, I doubt he’d be a speed demon. OK, this is hilarious. Do you want me to pull up all the posts in which you and others talked about the massive size advantage that Martin had over Zimmerman? Do you think we’ve forgotten the crazy shit you’ve posted in this thread? It surprises me that he’s technically obese, since he looks pretty lithe in the renactment video. But obese doesn’t mean slow. Especially when we’re talking about a guy in 20s, pumped up with adrenaline and testosterone. Good try, though. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3104 "2012-07-05T03:01:40Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > If he was heading back to his car when he encountered Trayvon, how would he have ended up on a path taking him away from his car? A fight scene at the T is consistent with him going back to his car. But we both know this is not what happened. So what did and what is the reason behind the discrepancy? You are ignoring the fact that Zimmerman dropped his flashlight and keys at the T. If the fight didn’t start there, what is your explanation? Zimmerman’s reenactment is consistent with the evidence and W#11 and W#6 statements. You are apparently reduced to nothing except harping his failure to find a street sign. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3105 "2012-07-05T03:09:23Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > What street sign was he going to find, taking the route that he did? the street he was on. > [@monstro](#): > > Since he never found that street sign, what made him turn back to his car? He said he would meet police at his car. > [@monstro](#): > > Why would he hang up the phone without giving the dispatcher the directions he was so bravely seeking for him? He did give instructions on how to get to his car. > [@monstro](#): > > And why wouldn’t he have told the dispatcher what he was trying to do on his behalf? What? > [@monstro](#): > > Why did he say the dispatcher had asked for directions when he hadn’t? what are you talking about? The dispatcher asks all kinds of questions regarding location. How else are they suppose to find him without a specific address or directions? > [@monstro](#): > > If he was heading back to his car when he encountered Trayvon, how would he have ended up on a path taking him away from his car? A fight scene at the T is consistent with him going back to his car. But we both know this is not what happened. So what did and what is the reason behind the discrepancy? Explained in the video. there is no evidence showing a discrepancy. I don’t understand why you think Zimmerman’s statement is false. > [@monstro](#): > > My points are very clear. His statement does not jibe with what actually happened, and they don’t jibe with common sense either. I suspect you know this, too. There is no indication that his statements are wrong. You keep saying this but there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Now if you have someone by Martin’s house saying Zimmerman was standing there, that would be a discrepancy. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3106 "2012-07-05T03:39:00Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > It surprises me that he’s technically obese, since he looks pretty lithe in the renactment video. But obese doesn’t mean slow. Especially when we’re talking about a guy in 20s, pumped up with adrenaline and testosterone. > > Good try, though. The person pumped up with adrenaline and testosterone would be the person on top of Zimmerman wailing on him. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3107 "2012-07-05T06:56:45Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > the street he was on. But you said earlier he was looking for an _address_ not a street sign. Which is it? If he was looking for a street sign on the street he was on…wouldn’t he walk up and down the street he was on, looking for a sign? Why would he go through the cut-through? He’s not going to find a street sign there, is he. And he doesn’t need a street sign for the street on the other side of the cut-through - he knows that’s Retreat Circle, the same street he lives on - and he says he knows what street it is in the video. Hmm, maybe you mis-spoke. Perhaps he really was looking for an _address_ - in other words, a house number. Again, why would he go towards the cut-through? Pretty much directly in front of him to the right was a row of houses,all facing out towards the street, with clearly displayed house numbers: Go to [this video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c) to the 07:37 mark and pause it. Now go to picture 73 of this [crime scene photo series](http://www.wtsp.com/news/photo-gallery.aspx?storyid=255685). That’s what the front of the houses looked like on the night of the shooting. If he wanted an address of where he was, it was literally right in front of him. So why did he walk all the way through the cut-through path again? And this is all before we consider the fact that Zimmerman got out of the car long before being asked for anything resembling an address, he hung up the phone having already agreed to meet at the clubhouse, and it’s hard to believe he didn’t know what street he was on. ---
**Author:** ![PotLuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbce88/32.png) [@PotLuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PotLuck)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3108 "2012-07-05T07:20:46Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > He said he would meet police at his car. > > He did give instructions on how to get to his car. > > The dispatcher asks all kinds of questions regarding location. How else are they suppose to find him without a specific address or directions? Zimmerman said many things about his location during his 911 call including “Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck” and agreeing to meet the police by the mailboxes. Towards the end of the call, however, when the dispatcher tries to confirm the meeting place (and after being told they don’t need him to follow Martin) Zimmerman asks “Actually, could you have them – **could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at**?” and the dispatcher says that’s no problem. So, that’s how the police were supposed to find Zimmerman without a specific address or directions. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3109 "2012-07-05T11:22:09Z")
Telling the police to call you, when you are the one requesting their assistance? That’s pretty ballsy. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3110 "2012-07-05T13:33:13Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Telling the police to call you, when you are the one requesting their assistance? That’s pretty ballsy. And rather strong evidence that GZ had no intention of just going back to his car and meeting the cops there. He wanted to keep searching for Martin so he could detain him until the police arrived. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3111 "2012-07-05T13:37:31Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > You seem to be actually delusional. All of John’s statements have already been made public. There isn’t any evidence from that night we haven’t seen. Of course there is evidence we haven’t seen. As is clear in John’s recorded interview, there are drawings that were used for him to illustrate what he saw that night. Has that been released? Not that I’m aware of. Call me delusional if you want. It is much more delusional to insist that Zimmerman’s account is solid, corroborated by all the witnesses, and will not present a problem for him in trial despite the fact that the State’s star witness against the defendant will probably be Zimmerman himself. And O’Mara knows it. It makes him incontinent just thinking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3112 "2012-07-05T14:18:41Z")
[quote=“monstro, post:3103, topic:619125”] OK, this is hilarious. Do you want me to pull up all the posts in which you and others talked about the massive size advantage that Martin had over Zimmerman? Do you think we’ve forgotten the crazy shit you’ve posted in this thread? It surprises me that he’s technically obese, since he looks pretty lithe in the renactment video. But obese doesn’t mean slow. Especially when we’re talking about a guy in 20s, pumped up with adrenaline and testosterone. Good try, though.[/QUOTE The obese determination was from the doctor who examined him. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3113 "2012-07-05T14:24:12Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > And rather strong evidence that GZ had no intention of just going back to his car and meeting the cops there. He wanted to keep searching for Martin so he could detain him until the police arrived. How can you detain someone if you don’t even know if they’re still around? In previous reported incidents when they took off running, the suspects left the area. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3114 "2012-07-05T14:41:13Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Of course there is evidence we haven’t seen. As is clear in John’s recorded interview, there are drawings that were used for him to illustrate what he saw that night. Has that been released? Not that I’m aware of. > > Call me delusional if you want. It is much more delusional to insist that Zimmerman’s account is solid, corroborated by all the witnesses, and will not present a problem for him in trial despite the fact that the State’s star witness against the defendant will probably be Zimmerman himself. > > And O’Mara knows it. It makes him incontinent just thinking about it. Those diagrams that were talked about during the interview were not entered into evidence. All the evidence was given to O’Mara during discovery and he has made it available online. I looked at them and there are no diagrams. [http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/33-evidence-submitted-at-the-george-zimmerman-bond-hearing](http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/33-evidence-submitted-at-the-george-zimmerman-bond-hearing) You have apparently been reduced to referring to imaginary evidence. I suggest you seek treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3115 "2012-07-05T14:44:04Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > How can you detain someone if you don’t even know if they’re still around? Off the top of my head, I’d say by looking for them … like Zimmerman was doing. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3116 "2012-07-05T15:14:59Z")
I think GZ’s original 911 phone call is the most accurate piece of evidence we have about what actually happened that night. The problem for George is that much of his testimony -after- the shooting contradicts the 911 call. Here is the 911 call in its entirity: > [@](#): > > [FONT=Arial]Zimmerman: We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.[/FONT] > [FONT=Arial]This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00: 25] > 911 dispatcher: OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic? > Zimmerman: He looks black. > 911 dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing? > Zimmerman: Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00: 42] > 911 dispatcher: He’s just walking around the area, the houses? OK. > Zimmerman: Now he’s staring at me. [00: 48] > 911 dispatcher: OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111? > Zimmerman: That’s the clubhouse. > 911 dispatcher: He’s near the clubhouse now? > Zimmerman: Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band. > And he’s a black male. [01:03] > 911 dispatcher: How old would you say he is? > Zimmerman: He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens. > 911 dispatcher: Late teens? > Zimmerman: Uh, huh. > Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out. > He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01: 20] > 911 dispatcher: Let me know if he does anything, OK? > Zimmerman: OK. > 911 dispatcher: We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else. > Zimmerman: OK. > These assholes. They always get away. > When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [FONT=Arial][1: 39][/FONT] > 911 dispatcher: OK, so it’s on the left hand side of the clubhouse? > Zimmerman: Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn and make a left. > He’s running. [2: 08] > 911 dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running? > Zimmerman: Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2: 14] > 911 dispatcher: OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards? > Zimmerman: The back entrance. > Fucking punks (?) > 911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2: 24] > Zimmerman: Yeah. [2: 25] > 911 dispatcher: OK. > We don’t need you to do that. [2: 26] > Zimmerman: OK. [2: 28] > 911 dispatcher: Alright, sir, what is your name? [2: 34] > Zimmerman: George. He ran. > 911 dispatcher: Alright, George, what’s your last name? > Zimmerman: Zimmerman. > 911 dispatcher: What’s the phone number you’re calling from? > Zimmerman: 407-435-2400 > 911 dispatcher: Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there? > Zimmerman: Yeah. > 911 dispatcher: Alright, where are you going to meet with them at? > Zimmerman: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3: 10] > 911 dispatcher: Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3: 21] > Zimmerman: Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3: 25] > 911 dispatcher: OK, do you live in the area? > Zimmerman: Yeah, yeah, I live here. > 911 dispatcher: OK, what’s your apartment number? > Zimmerman: It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3: 40] > 911 dispatcher: OK, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes then? [3: 42] > Zimmerman: Yeah, that’s fine. [3: 43] > 911 dispatcher: Alright, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at … > Zimmerman: Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3: 49] > 911 dispatcher: OK, that’s no problem. > Zimmerman: My number … you’ve got it? > 911 dispatcher: Yeah, I’ve got it. 435-2400? > Zimmerman: Yeah, you got it. > 911 dispatcher: OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4: 02] > Zimmerman: Thanks. > 911 dispatcher: You’re welcome > > [/FONT] I think there are three key problems for George based on this 911 call. 1. George sees Martin near the clubhouse. Based on where George parked his car, this means that Martin would have been behind the car, walking towards the cut-through. George notes that Martin is ‘staring at me’. hands in waist band’ etc etc. This is at about 00:48 or so. At 01:03, Martin is ‘near the Clubhouse, coming towards me’. At 01:20 of the call, Marti is now ‘coming to check me out’, with ‘something in his hands’. At 02:08, Martin runs, and George says that Martin is running towards the back entrance = Martin ran to the sidewalk T and turned right. So at 01:03 or so Martin was at/near the clubhouse. At 02:08, Martin runs. That’s about one minute. Here’s the problem: In his video re-enactment, George says that Martin walked up the cut-through, then walked back to George’s car, circled it, then started running, and turns right at the T. But no where in George’s call does he indicate that Martin walked away, then walked -back- and circled the car. That’s a pretty scary situation; certainly one you 'd expect GZ to note to the dispatcher. But that’s not even the most incriminating part: There isn’t near enough time to go from the Clubhouse, to the T, back to GZ’s car, then back to the sidewalk T and turn right! That’s about 300 yards worth of movement, or about 900 feet. Walking speed is about 220-250 feet per minute. We’ll assume 250 feet since Martin was pretty tall - that still means it would have taken over _three minutes_ to walk from anywhere near the clubhouse, to the T, back to the car, then far enough back up the cut-through for GZ to know Martin is heading to the back entrance. Check out the re-enactment video: it takes almost exactly a minute for George to get up to the sidewalk T from his car. He slows down a bit here and there because he’s talking and gesturing as he’s walking, so we can imagine that at a straight, normal walking gait he’d do it a bit faster - maybe 50 seconds or so. That coincides almost exactly with the 911 phone call if we assume that Martin walked from near the clubhouse, past George’s car, and up to the T - that part of the phone call takes about a minute. 1. In his re-enactment video, George stresses that he got out of the truck to find a street sign because the dispatch wanted to know which way Martin ran. But that’s completely false: First of all, George knew exactly which way Martin ran, and he told the dispatcher: He ran towards the back exit. Secondly, we know exactly when George got out of the truck: He got out at 02:08, when the ‘asshole’ started to run away. At no point before George gets out of the truck does the dispatch ask George for any address. A minute or so after George got out of the truck, when George has said he lost sight of Martin, at 03:00 or so, the dispatcher asks if GZ wants to meet the cops when they arrive. He says yes. When asked where he wants to meet, he directs them to his truck. Here, the dispatch asks “What address are you **parked in front of**?”. This is the key point: GZ was asked for the address - i.e., the house number - that he was parked in front of. George says he doesn’t know the address because it’s a cut-through. This makes of course true - at this point he’s standing in the cut-through! He’s behind the houses, so he can’t see any house number. So they agree to meet at the mailboxes. No mention is -ever- made of needing a _street_, or finding a street sign. So why does GZ change his story in the re-enactment videos? GZ actually admits this by accident, because he says he walked all the way through the cut-through to the other street (Retreat View Circle), which could only be to find a house number: he didn’t need to see a street sign there, he knew what that street was, and besides, that wasn’t the street that his truck was parked on. But it begs the question of why GZ wants us to believe that he went looking for a house number some 500 feet from where his truck was parked, when he was asked what address he was in front of? Especially when the houses -right in front of his car- were all facing the street. He had a house number right in front of him. It is obviously, clearly, undeniably a lie. 1. Finally - the very last part: After agreeing to meet the officers at his car, he changes his mind and says, you know what, just have them call me when they get here and I’ll tell them where I am. That can -only- mean that George didn’t mean to go back to his car, he was going to spend some more time trying to track Martin down. GZ conveniently leaves this part out of his video re-enactment. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3117 "2012-07-05T15:20:13Z")
> [@Poochey](#): > > How can you detain someone if you don’t even know if they’re still around? In previous reported incidents when they took off running, the suspects left the area. Yeah, I know. The assholes always got away, didn’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3118 "2012-07-05T15:47:12Z")
Zimmerman Bond Set at $1,000,000 [http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/263027/483/Judge-sets-Zimmermans-bond-at-1-million](http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/263027/483/Judge-sets-Zimmermans-bond-at-1-million) ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3119 "2012-07-05T16:42:51Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Zimmerman Bond Set at $1,000,000 > > [http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/263027/483/Judge-sets-Zimmermans-bond-at-1-million](http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/263027/483/Judge-sets-Zimmermans-bond-at-1-million) So that turns into a $100k all cash, right? Does he get that money back at the conclusion of trial, or does FL act as a bail bondsman? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3120 "2012-07-05T17:02:40Z")
I haven’t been following this case much (and see no reason to now until the actual trial starts), but I agree with the $1m bond. I think it possible Zimmerman and his wife definitely were lying to the court but the fact that he’s been on release for so long and hasn’t tried to flee to me says there’s no real reason to deny him bail entirely. The new bond is a good reflection of his ability to pony up cash, so I see no real problem with it. Plus, the cost to taxpayers is less with a defendant out on bail versus incarceration. ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3121 "2012-07-05T17:04:11Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > So that turns into a $100k all cash, right? Does he get that money back at the conclusion of trial, or does FL act as a bail bondsman? The problem with this is Zimmerman has no resources to pay his attorney fees, which is probably what Angela Corey might have wanted, considering that top flight attorney Donald West wanted to join the Zimmerman team . If you’re going to allow bond once, the likelihood of not getting it again seemed pretty slim, IMO. All this does is makes Zimmerman destitute. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=155) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=157)