# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/301 "2012-04-21T15:54:44Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > When someone is sitting on top of you and beating you up, there is no reasonable way to escape. There’re lots of stories that Zimmerman could tell. Doesn’t make them true. And everything else that we know makes the story we’ve heard about what supposedly happened completely unbelievable. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/302 "2012-04-21T16:17:08Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Sigh… What I believe, is that _ **he provoked** _ any violence against himself and that he did _ **not** _ exhaust all means of escape before resorting to deadly force therefore the self-defense defense is not available to him. This will depend if Zimmerman’s actions meet a legal standard for provocation. Following someone and talking to them do not. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/303 "2012-04-21T16:28:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > yes, it is possible. I didn’t ask you if it was possible. I asked do you believe it. I’m starting to suspect why Corey pressed charged against Zimmerman. We’ve been speculating about EMT records and forensics, but it’s probably much simpler than this. This is purely speculation, but I think Zimmerman lied about ever following Martin. The lie would be present in his statement, and the contradictory evidence would be found in the recording with the 911 dispatcher. When he was interviewed after the shooting, I’m assuming the cops would not have had access to the 911 recording, and Zimmerman could have been too stupid to realize the whole thing had been recorded (or maybe too arrogant to think it would matter). So if he told them he reported Martin as suspicious but stayed in his truck the whole time and didn’t give chase, they would have not known that was a lie. Later though, when they eventually listened to the tapes, the PD should have caught the lie. Does anyone remember in the early days, Chief Lee making statements to the effect that it was not illegal for Zimmerman to follow Martin even though 911 told him not to (I can’t find the article I read that in…help someone?). I now question why he said this, when Zimmerman maintained from the start that he didn’t follow Martin after the 911 call ended. It suggests Lee himself didn’t believe Zimmerman ceased his pursuit. And that bone I had to pick about the State Attorney’s remarks about probable cause and how the cops had the power all along to make an arrest…well, it makes sense they would say this if Zimmermans statement contradicts the evidence on that 911 tape. The prosecutor consulted on the night of the shooting may not have been aware of the evidence on the 911 tape, so her advice might have been prudent given what was known at that point. But after the 911 tape was available, failure to respond to that would have fallen on the cops. In sum, if the prosecution can show that an important element in Zimmermans statement is contradicted by another piece of evidence, the rest of his story as well as his credibility is suspect. I believe if there is any obvious contradiction, it most likely concerns the issue of Zimmerman following Martin. The “checking the street sign” excuse suggests not only a lie, but a big silly lie. Again, this is all speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/304 "2012-04-21T16:31:47Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > There’re lots of stories that Zimmerman could tell. Doesn’t make them true. The prosecution has to convince the jury, beyond a reasonable doubt, in spite of witnesses saying it happened, that Martin was not sitting on top of Zimmerman and beating him up. Unless they have some dynamite evidence that we don’t know about (and the bond hearing indicates that they don’t), they are heading for a big fail. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/305 "2012-04-21T16:33:08Z")
Why do you keep saying Zimmerman wasn’t following Martin? You made a big deal in the other thread about the fact that he was, despite being “instructed”, as you put it, not to. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/306 "2012-04-21T16:39:07Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > “Hispanic” is a made-up word. There are actually three distinct races: Negroid Mongoloid and Caucasoid. spanish-speaking people from South America can be anything from a purely Caucasian to some degree of Caucasian and Asian, since native Americans are considered Asian(mongoloid), and South American people are blended Spanish ( Caucasian) and native American (Asian). I understand that. But “Hispanic” is a social construct that we use and that has a (admittedly fuzzy) meaning in this culture. This incident is difficult to discuss without the concept. In any case, I was responding to **dngnb8** who brought up the “Hispanic” issue. I do think the he or she is off the mark on this. Zimmerman is much lighter than Martin and that in itself may have been enough to dissuade Martin from calling 911. The post that started this was my response to **JoelUpchurch’s** contention that the fact the Martin didn’t call 911 is a basic problem for the claim that Martin was afraid. I was pointing out that this was nonsense and explaining why. Now that’s been derailed and obscured by **dngnb8’s** concerns over the semantics of “light”, “lighter”, “white”, “black”, and “Hispanic”. I would dismiss it as a bit of overenthusiastic pedantry (something I’m certainly guilty of at times) if it wasn’t for the bit about “quit with the light skinned crap”. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/307 "2012-04-21T16:56:38Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Okay, I accept that. but I ahve a couple of questions: > > 1. would any attempt to argue it as I have been shut down by the court as legally unacceptable for a jury to decide? In my opinion, based only on what we “know” now… Yes. There is no evidence that I know of yet that would allow a jury to find Zimmerman guilty. But of course there may be evidence that I don’t know – angle of the bullet, wounds on head, some thing – that gives the lie to Zimmerman’s story. It wouldn’t have to be a slam dunk, just something that a jury could credit that would show Zimerman materially lied about the events that kicked off the fight or the fight itself. > [@](#): > > 1. no one has ever answered me about my martin-as-a-woman scenario: if GZ had behaved identically towards a lone female, and she had responded defensively, how do you think George Zimmerman’s choices would be viewed in a court, by a judge, a prosecutor, a jury? Would it be so difficult to argue that GZ’s behavior could and would easily be perceived as threatening by a woman, prompting her to act, and if that’s plausible, why is Martin held to a different standard? (That standard being that he did not have a right, in the face of GZ’s behavior, to act defensively when he perceived a threat. Because again, were I the type and I were in Martin’s shoes, I could easily see myself acting before this crazy stalker asshole got a chance to act. Self-defense 101.) I don’t know what you mean by “responded defensively.” Scenario A: Zimmerman approaches Martina, asks her what her business is, and she responds by kicking Zimmerman in the crotch, and then repeatedly pummeling his head against the concrete sidewalk. Scenario B: Zimmerman approaches Martina, asks her what her business is, and she pepper sprays him and runs away; enraged, he follows her and shoots her. Or craft your own and I’ll answer it. Be as specific as you can about who does what – like you were writing stage directions. > [@](#): > > But I still have a HUGE problem with the way it’s found to be self-defense when GZ created the situation. “Created the situation” is not the same, legally, as “was the aggressor.” A guy can walk down the street in East L.A. wearing a sign that says “WETBACKS GO HOME / PINCHE MEXICANO VETI” and he is obviously creating a situation. But if he is attacked by an angry Mexican in such a way that he fears for his life, he can defend himself with deadly force… _even though he created the situation_. > [@](#): > > I am also very curious about what evidence they are looking at that contradicts GZ - could it be many of the same details that a number of us have pointed to as making his story not-believable? In my legal opinion, no. There needs to be some stronger fact. I assume there is, based on the charging decision, but after the bail hearing, I am less confident. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/308 "2012-04-21T16:58:52Z")
**cosmosdan** posted this link interesting bit of information from the hearing in the GD thread. Not sure if everyone saw this: > [@](#): > > But Gilbreath also described previously undisclosed evidence the state plans to present at Zimmerman’s trial, while under questioning from Rionda, the assistant prosecutor. > > Gilbreath testified that Zimmerman repeatedly contradicted himself while being interviewed by police and provided statements inconsistent with physical evidence and witness recollections. link: [Trayvon Martin Case: Judge Grants George Zimmerman Bail | HuffPost Voices](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/george-zimmerman-bail-hearing_n_1440175.html) I know its huffington post, so many will disregard everything in the article just for that, but this is simply a recounting of testimony. Does that sound like a guy who did nothing wrong? Or who believes he did nothing wrong even? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/309 "2012-04-21T17:01:58Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I didn’t ask you if it was possible. I asked do you believe it. > > I’m starting to suspect why Corey pressed charged against Zimmerman. We’ve been speculating about EMT records and forensics, but it’s probably much simpler than this. > > This is purely speculation, but I think Zimmerman lied about ever following Martin. The lie would be present in his statement, and the contradictory evidence would be found in the recording with the 911 dispatcher. > > When he was interviewed after the shooting, I’m assuming the cops would not have had access to the 911 recording, and Zimmerman could have been too stupid to realize the whole thing had been recorded (or maybe too arrogant to think it would matter). So if he told them he reported Martin as suspicious but stayed in his truck the whole time and didn’t give chase, they would have not known that was a lie. Later though, when they eventually listened to the tapes, the PD should have caught the lie. > > Does anyone remember in the early days, Chief Lee making statements to the effect that it was not illegal for Zimmerman to follow Martin even though 911 told him not to (I can’t find the article I read that in…help someone?). I now question why he said this, when Zimmerman maintained from the start that he didn’t follow Martin after the 911 call ended. It suggests Lee himself didn’t believe Zimmerman ceased his pursuit. > > And that bone I had to pick about the State Attorney’s remarks about probable cause and how the cops had the power all along to make an arrest…well, it makes sense they would say this if Zimmermans statement contradicts the evidence on that 911 tape. The prosecutor consulted on the night of the shooting may not have been aware of the evidence on the 911 tape, so her advice might have been prudent given what was known at that point. But after the 911 tape was available, failure to respond to that would have fallen on the cops. > > In sum, if the prosecution can show that an important element in Zimmermans statement is contradicted by another piece of evidence, the rest of his story as well as his credibility is suspect. I believe if there is any obvious contradiction, it most likely concerns the issue of Zimmerman following Martin. The “checking the street sign” excuse suggests not only a lie, but a big silly lie. > > Again, this is all speculation. But it’s good speculation. I agree with what you’ve said: there must be some important contradiction between Zimmerman’s statement and the evidence to sustain the charge. could be something simple, but obviously a lie, like following Martin. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/310 "2012-04-21T17:04:35Z")
Here’s a bizarre exchange at the bond hearing: O’MARA: Have you ever had your nose fractured or broken. GILBREATH: No. O’MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct? GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven’t seen any medical records to indicate that. \*\*O’MARA: Have you asked him for them? GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No. O’MARA: Do you want a copy of them? GILBREATH: Sure. O’MARA: I’ll give them to the state. It’s a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven’t had them yet, I don’t want to cross you on them. \*\* Seriously? The investigator has not yet, after weeks of investigating, gotten to request the medical records for Zimmerman’s injuries? Amazing. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/311 "2012-04-21T17:09:46Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Can we go back to the street sign claim? How many posters in here really believe that this is why Zimmerman go out of his car? And how do you square this belief with the location of where the shooting occurred? > > This ridiculous assertion bears all the hallmarks of a story that tries too hard to hide any indication that Zimmerman acted improperly. He wasnt trying to follow Martin, no way, no sir. He was looking for a street sign. And he didn’t reach for his gun. Hell no, it was his _phone_! And that wasn’t Martin screaming for help, it was Zimmerman! > . I think it is possible he was looking for a house number. Looking for a street sign would be silly. I would have printed out a map with the house numbers marked, but that is just me. I love maps. Trying to keep Martin in sight would be stupid, but hardly felonious. Lousy tactics also. He could have driven down to the south end of Twin Trees and got in front of Martin. If he thought Martin was trying to get away, then he should get around to the south entrance. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/312 "2012-04-21T17:11:01Z")
Trayvon Martin’s mom got on tv and asked for an apology the day charges were filed against Zimmerman. Zimmerman offered a direct, private apology and was rebuffed. A private apology. No cameras, no media tricks and the Martin family wasn’t interested. So he offered the apology at his bond hearing. The lawyers for Martin’s family have been manipulating opinions about this case for weeks. It’s disgusting. I know they are preparing the basis for a civil suit. It’s all about the lawyers cut of the settlement. Plus there’s an obvious political agenda here too. > [@](#): > > Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, said after the hearing that his client was responding to an interview in which Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, said she wanted to hear from the man who shot her son. > > _“He didn’t want to defend himself, he didn’t want to discuss the facts of the case. He heard the request of the family, and he wanted to respond to it,” O’Mara said, adding that an attempt to apologize to the family in private was rebuffed._ > **[Lawyer: Zimmerman may remain in jail until middle of next week | CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2012/04/21/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)** > > George Zimmerman, who killed Trayvon Martin, could stay in jail through mid-week amid concerns about raising funds for his $150,000 bond, his lawyer says. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/313 "2012-04-21T17:14:41Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > I think it is possible he was looking for a house number. Looking for a street sign would be silly. I would have printed out a map with the house numbers marked, but that is just me. I love maps. But the shooting occurred _behind_ the houses–the one place where you’re least likely to find house numbers. So even if you can buy that he had to exit his car to find an address (which is a stretch by itself), you have to reconcile this action with the location of the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/314 "2012-04-21T17:38:36Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Here’s a bizarre exchange at the bond hearing: > > O’MARA: Have you ever had your nose fractured or broken. > > GILBREATH: No. > > O’MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct? > > GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven’t seen any medical records to indicate that. > > \*\*O’MARA: Have you asked him for them? > > GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No. > > O’MARA: Do you want a copy of them? > > GILBREATH: Sure. > > O’MARA: I’ll give them to the state. It’s a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven’t had them yet, I don’t want to cross you on them. > \*\* > > Seriously? The investigator has not yet, after weeks of investigating, gotten to request the medical records for Zimmerman’s injuries? Amazing. Why would they need to ask Zimmerman for medical records, since the police are the official fact finders of an investigation? They should have documented his injuries if he had evidence of such. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/315 "2012-04-21T17:45:32Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Here’s a bizarre exchange at the bond hearing: > > O’MARA: Have you ever had your nose fractured or broken. > > GILBREATH: No. > > O’MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct? > > GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven’t seen any medical records to indicate that. > > \*\*O’MARA: Have you asked him for them? > > GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No. > > O’MARA: Do you want a copy of them? > > GILBREATH: Sure. > > O’MARA: I’ll give them to the state. It’s a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven’t had them yet, I don’t want to cross you on them. > \*\* > > Seriously? The investigator has not yet, after weeks of investigating, gotten to request the medical records for Zimmerman’s injuries? Amazing. Assuming that Zimmerman’s lawyer isn’t lying in court (which is more or less certain), this pretty much proves that he had the injuries as described. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/316 "2012-04-21T17:59:06Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Why would they need to ask Zimmerman for medical records, since the police are the official fact finders of an investigation? They should have documented his injuries if he had evidence of such. What does that mean, specifically? How would the police even diagnose a broken nose? ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/317 "2012-04-21T18:00:16Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > You’re puzzled that a young African American male would hesitate to call the police? You think it’s remarkable that he would hesitate to call authorities and accuse a light skinned person of… something? Seriously? > > Also, you say that Marin didn’t go home (it was actually a relative’s house, but that’s neither here nor there). I was under the impression that he was trying to head “home” the whole time. His body was found near the house he was staying at. The trouble is that we assume that Martin was more scared of the police than of Zimmerman, then we might also conclude that Martin was a vigilante who decided to administer some street justice to Zimmerman. I guess you weren’t involved in the previous thread. With the timeline we have, there is no way that Zimmerman overtakes Martin unless Martin stops. Here is a diagram of what another poster (newme?) made. [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=217828638806042443821.0004bc2f8dc88681cedc1](http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=217828638806042443821.0004bc2f8dc88681cedc1) I misspoke. Martin was trying to get to Brandy Green’s home. She is his father’s girlfriend. Martin Died 70 yards from her house. Based on the cell phone times he should have arrived at Green’s house before Zimmerman came around the corner if he hadn’t stopped. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/318 "2012-04-21T18:09:22Z")
Everything I’ve read confirms Zimmerman’s story. Martin stopped, doubled back and got the jump on Zimmerman. Broke his nose, pounded the guys head into the sidewalk and then there was a struggle for control of the gun. It went off. I’m curious to see if the cell phone times are accurate enough to use in court. I see a short trial and acquittal. They don’t even need the Stand Your Ground law. This was old fashioned self defense. > [@](#): > > I misspoke. Martin was trying to get to Brandy Green’s home. She is his father’s girlfriend. Martin Died 70 yards from her house. Based on the cell phone times he should have arrived at Green’s house before Zimmerman came around the corner if he hadn’t stopped. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/319 "2012-04-21T18:13:34Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Assuming that Zimmerman’s lawyer isn’t lying in court (which is more or less certain), this pretty much proves that he had the injuries as described. It doesn’t matter what happened after he left police custody. If he wanted his injuries documented he should have insisted on treatment before he was questioned. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/320 "2012-04-21T18:18:10Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I’m not answering any more of these kinds of questions until someone answers mine. Steophan obviously wasnt the right man for that Herculean task. Maybe you are brave enough. > > Do you believe Zimmerman got of his car, not to follow Martin, but to check a street sign? I’ll answer it: no. It is possible, but on balance of probabilities, I would have to say I don’t believe it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=17)