# Martin/Zimmerman: humble opinions and speculation thread **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125 "2012-04-18T04:41:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 196
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3902 "2012-07-17T01:35:29Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > yeah - because vandalism and an empty bag of pot, adn maybe theft are soooo similiar to sexual assault. :rolleyes: You kind of forgot about Martin trying to beat someone to death and he was screwing Dede who is 16. Like I said double standard. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3903 "2012-07-17T01:37:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Doing an Achmed impersonations, pushing a plain-clothes cop, and kissing cousins. Workplace harassment, violent acts against a law enforcement officer, child rape. Thanks for playing. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3904 "2012-07-17T01:43:03Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > It sounds to me like you need to move it to the pit. Sorry I meant Evil Economist ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3905 "2012-07-17T01:54:28Z")
Well Witness#9’s name and picture in up on the Internet. I wonder if Zimmerman has a spare bedroom at his safe house? I suspect the Zimmerman family reunion are going to be worse than my family after cousin Joey shot at my Uncle Joe. ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3906 "2012-07-17T02:22:19Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > You kind of forgot about Martin trying to beat someone to death and he was screwing Dede who is 16. Like I said double standard. According to Google?age of consent in florida, 17 yr. olds can screw all the 16 yr. olds they want. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3907 "2012-07-17T03:02:10Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > I suspect that what the woman wanted was to inject herself into a situation that had absolutely nothing to do with her, simply because she had some personal grievance against her cousin and his family. She probably perceives this unrelated case as an opportunity to trash and malign them, and hopefully making things harder for Zimmerman in the process. If the cousin had an ax to grind, why didn’t she press charges before or after 2005? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3908 "2012-07-17T03:09:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Just an imperfect, but decent guy, who has been unfairly maligned. Decent guys don’t fuck their female relatives. Period. End of story. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3909 "2012-07-17T03:19:24Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Decent guys don’t fuck their female relatives. Period. End of story. He didn’t have sex with her- please pay attention. He touched her six year old pee-pee maker when he was 7 or 8 years old. Ten years later, she drives over to his house. She lays down on his bed for a massage. He makes a pass at her and she leaves. It’s just a red herring and prosecutorial psychological intimidation, because the murder case against Zimmerman is a sham. May the prosecutors, at some point, be held accountable for their conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3910 "2012-07-17T03:23:33Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > He didn’t have sex with her- please pay attention. He touched her six year old pee-pee maker when he was 7 or 8 years old. Ten years later, she drives over to his house. \*\* She lays down on his bed for a massage. He makes a pass at her and she leaves. > \*\* > It’s just a red herring and prosecutorial psychological intimidation, because the murder case against Zimmerman is a sham. May the prosecutors, at some point, be held accountable for their conduct. Bullshit. It was ongoing until she was in her teens. He penetrated her with his fingers. That’s fucking. Period. eta Really?! Seriously? You’re trying to say he wanted to fuck her but she didn’t give him the chance?!!! ---
**Author:** ![Poochey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@Poochey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poochey)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3911 "2012-07-17T03:24:31Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > He didn’t have sex with her- please pay attention. He touched her six year old pee-pee maker when he was 7 or 8 years old. Ten years later, she drives over to his house. She lays down on his bed for a massage. He makes a pass at her and she leaves. > > It’s just a red herring and prosecutorial psychological intimidation, because the murder case against Zimmerman is a sham. May the prosecutors, at some point, be held accountable for their conduct. According to her, they only saw each other once a year, and then she stopped going to the yearly family gatherings altogether. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3912 "2012-07-17T03:27:53Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > If the cousin had an ax to grind, why didn’t she press charges before or after 2005? Cause it was probably consensual. There’s no description of forced, violent or aggressive contact or of any threats made of any kind. If these things happened at all, I suspect she went along with it reluctantly or without major objection. She may have felt uncomfortable or uneasy about it- or not. At some point, she may have felt ashamed of what happened and so blamed Zimmerman for “making” her do it- even though she said nothing that indicated that he did. It could be a number of things. Whatever it is, it’s between them to work out. ---
**Author:** ![emeraldia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@emeraldia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emeraldia)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3913 "2012-07-17T03:33:01Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Really?! Seriously? You’re trying to say he wanted to fuck her but she didn’t give him the chance?!!! If there is any truth to her account, then sure. Sexual attraction between family members- particularly cousins- is not particularly rare. By the way, I think you might be confusing a ‘finger’ with a ‘penis’. They look surprisingly similar so I can understand the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3914 "2012-07-17T03:38:08Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > You kind of forgot about Martin trying to beat someone to death and he was screwing Dede who is 16. Like I said double standard. Was he screwing Dede? Who said that? And, once again, “trying to beat Zimmerman to death” is YOUR interpretation. Based on what the guy that killed him said. Yep, a really reliable source that. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3915 "2012-07-17T04:03:48Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > Cause it was probably consensual. That’s not possible. - Honesty ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3916 "2012-07-17T04:20:22Z")
Does anyone know what the statute of limitations is in Florida for these sort of charges? Maybe Zimmerman will evade justice on the murder thing and go to jail on the rape thing. Of course, his supporters will send him enough money that he’ll get rich off the molestation thing, I’m sure. They should track the donations so we can see what pays better: rape or murder. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3917 "2012-07-17T08:06:00Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Does anyone know what the statute of limitations is in Florida for these sort of charges? Maybe Zimmerman will evade justice on the murder thing and go to jail on the rape thing. Doesn’t seem likely, unless she pulled a Clinton and has an old dress around: > [@](#): > > Statute of limitations in Florida for Sexual Abuse: > > (Civil) > 7 years after the age of majority (any time before your 25th birthday), _[Age of Majority in Florida is 18]_ > 4 years after you leave the dependency of the abuser (even if you are older than 25), or > 4 years from the time of your discovery of both the injury and the causal relationship between the injury and the abuse. > > (Criminal) > Prosecution for sexual assault or abuse has a statute of limitations of four years. However, there is an exception made for DNA analysis, which allows for the prosecution of a rapist anytime within one year of the discovery of DNA evidence, even if it is discovered after the ordinary statute of limitations period ran out. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3918 "2012-07-17T13:25:21Z")
> [@emeraldia](#): > > He didn’t have sex with her- please pay attention. He touched her six year old pee-pee maker when he was 7 or 8 years old. Ten years later, she drives over to his house. She lays down on his bed for a massage. He makes a pass at her and she leaves. > > It’s just a red herring and prosecutorial psychological intimidation, because the murder case against Zimmerman is a sham. May the prosecutors, at some point, be held accountable for their conduct. How are the prosecutors to blame here? This woman sought them out with her tales. We can all write the headlines if they had turned her away with her reports about GZ racism. She’d be the mystery witness that the conspiracists would’ve latched on to. So they listened to her tale. But in doing so, everything she said became discoverable. I don’t think that the state has had a very good record so far in keeping things from the press. So, the prosecutors didn’t seek her out, couldn’t turn her away, and can’t keep her story a secret. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3919 "2012-07-17T13:41:14Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > How are the prosecutors to blame here? > So, the prosecutors didn’t seek her out, couldn’t turn her away, and can’t keep her story a secret. As near as I can make out, the State doesn’t have a say in this at all. In fact, the State made a (granted, probably perfunctory) effort to oppose the release - see pg 2 of the the statement: > [@](#): > > The State still believes W9’s second statement should not be released at this time because of the potential prejudice to Defendant. Florida’s sunshine laws mean mean just about everything is made public, and the State shouldn’t be allowed to arbitrary determine what it deems relevant or not; the defense should make that determination. The State didn’t go out and dig this witness up; she came to them of her own accord. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3920 "2012-07-17T13:43:46Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Huh? The State doesn’t have a say in this at all. In fact, the State made a (granted, probably perfunctory) effort to oppose the release - see pg 2 of the the statement: Yes, the state does. If neither the state or defense ever intended to use her “testimony” in the trial, then it does not have to be included in discovery. Defense specifically said Witness #9 is not relevant to the case. The state insisted that she is. As it stands, this is a desperation move by the prosecution. They are trying to harass Zimmerman into a plea. I don’t think that will happen - O’Mara is smarter than that. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125/3921 "2012-07-17T13:47:12Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Yes, the state does. If neither the state or defense ever intended to use her “testimony” in the trial, then it does not have to be included in discovery. So in Florida, the state could withhold exculpatory evidence they didn’t intend to use at trial? Man, that state is more fucked up than I ever imagined. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=195) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/martin-zimmerman-humble-opinions-and-speculation-thread/619125.md?page=197)